Hochelfen Kavallarieliste - Schlachtberichte & Theorie (englisch)

Hi,

nach dem MSU Konzept nun ein weitere "klassisches" Hochelfen Armeekonzept am Beispiel eines Schlachtberichts (und in zukunft evtl. weitere).

Die Hochelfen Kavallariearmee! Sie setzt sogar noch mehr als das MSU Konzept auf Flexibilität in der Bewegungsphase. Im Gegensatz zum MSU Konzept, finden wir (schon allein wegen der Punktkosten von Kavallarie Modellen) nur wenige Modelle und Einheiten, was bedeutet dass Nahkämpfe sehr geziel gewählt werden müssen.

Aber seht selbst:

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This was my first test game with the New High Elf Book. I was pretty excited to get it in as I am preparing for a big 2400 point tournament in July and I wanted to see if this list concept is sound.

My opponent played an interesting Ogre List that I don’t think is quite tournament ready. His Magic Phase was pretty wimpy and he had no bsb.

I don’t have a copy of his list so I’m not exactly sure how the characters are equipped.

Roughly, it went:

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Frost Mammoth
6 leadbelchers
8 Ironguts w/ Tyrant
6 leadbelchers
7 Maneaters w/ vanguard, poison attacks, and ogre pistols
8 Ogres w/ Butcher

From left to right, unit by unit, my list goes:
Frost Phoenix
10 archers
5 reavers w/ spears & bows, musician
5 reavers w/ spears & bows, musician
5 reavers w/ spears & bows, musician
Skycutter (no bolt thrower)
10 archers
5 reavers w/ bows, musician (I deployed them 1 wide to make them fit)
12 Dragon Princes w/ full command, BotWD, Ogre Blade, & my characters
Fire Phoenix

My characters are equipped like so:
Prince, Giant Blade, Dawnstone, Enchanted Shield, Dragon Armour, Horse
Archmage, Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Khaines Ring of Fury, Horse
Noble, BSB, Barded Horse, Halberd, Dragon Armour, Star Lance, Charmed Shield, Golden Crown, Potion of Foolhardiness

Spells went like so:
Butcher – Bonecrusher, The Maw
Archmage – Drain Magic, Apotheosis, Arcane Unforging, Walk Between Worlds

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Vanguards went like so:
1. His Maneaters moved up between the house and forest.
2. My Reavers on the right moved up and went 5 wide to block his Maneaters.
3. My 2 Leftmost units of reavers moved up to double block the frost horn.
4. The Middle unit of reavers moved up to toy with the Ironguts.

Ogre 1

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Movement:
1. His Ironguts declared a charge against my middle unit of reavers. I chose to flee and went 10″. The guts stumbled forward 4″. They ended up about where that yellow arrow is pointing.
2. The frost mammoth and belchers on the left moved up.
3. I don’t know why he did this, but he moved the leadbelchers up to support his maneaters which set up a very juice charge opportunity for my Dragon Princes.

Magic: Winds ended up being 2 v 1
1. His Tyrant had the Ruby Ring of Ruin and tried to shoot some reavers. I dispelled it w/ one dice.

Shooting:
1. His maneaters torched my reavers. In hindsight, I shouldn’t have moved them up like I did as he couldn’t have charged this turn anyway.
2. His Leadbelchers behind the Marauders killed 1 Archer.
3. His leadbelchers on the left wiped out the Leftmost unit of Reavers. I misplayed this move as well.
4. The Frost Mammoth shot a bunch of weird stuff at the other unit of reavers and killed 1 of them.

Elf 1

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Movement:
1. My Dragon Princes charged the Maneaters and made it!
2. I moved my Phoenixes up on the flanks of his line.
3. The Reavers on the left shuffled around a bit.
4. The Reavers in the middle rallied.
5. The Chariot moved up behind the house. (Tournament I’m preparing for has ruled it can march because of the Fly Special Rule, waiting on FAQ to clear it up)

Magic: 10 v 6
1. I cast the big version of Walk Between Worlds on the Skycutter. I would have used it on the Fire Phoenix, but he was a couple inches too far away. I spun him around to face the rear of the Ogre Line.
2. I tried to be Cheesey and cast Drain Magic on one of his units just to pump up the Lore Attribute and he dispelled it.

Shooting:
1. My Archers on the left got 1 wound on his Leadbelchers.
2. My reavers that rallied got 1 wound on his guts.

Combat:
1. My Prince did 4 wounds to the Maneaters
2. My Noble did another 4 wounds after chugging the potion of foolhardiness.
3. My knights did another 7 wounds.
4. I lost 1 knight for my trouble.
5. He needed snake eyes and broke. I ran him down and hit the leadbelchers!

Ogre 2

Elves 2

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Movement:
1. The Frostbird charged the rear of the leadbelchers.
2. My Reavers and archers both failed to rally and went off the board!
3. The Firebird flew over the Ogres and put 1 wound on them.
4. I moved the reavers up to shoot at the flank of the guts.
5. I got the Dragon Princes up out of his Charge Arc.

Magic: I forgot to right down the winds roll. I also forgot to check how it affected the Phoenixes.
1. I cast Walk Between Worlds on the Phoenix and moved it over the guts and did 5 wounds!
2. I cast Drain Magic on the guts to just pump up my wardsave on the knights.

Combat:
1. The frostbird put 1 wound into the belchers and they failed to do any in return.
2. The belchers broke from combat and the bird ran them down going 12″ forward.

Ogres 3

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Movement:
1. The guts turned to face my cav.
2. The ogres moved toward the center.
3. The Frost Mammoth turned to face the center.

Magic: 7 v 5
1. He cast bonecrusher against my cav. I let it through, because of the BotWD ward save.
2. He failed to cast the Maw.
3. He tried to use the Ruby Ring as well, but I dispelled it.

Shooting was ineffective with the Mammoth.

Elves 3

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Movement: The diagram is a little wonky here.
1. My Dragon Princes could charge his gut bus. It was not nearly as obvious as it looks in this picture. My opponent didn’t think it could. We got the measuring tool out and it was doable, but not by much. He was getting frustrated so I chose not to anyway.
2. I moved the princes around to threaten the stonehorn. The ruins wasn’t nearly as big as it looks here. This move was not as crazy as it looks here.
3. The bird flew over the guts and did another wound.
4. The frost turkey moved to threaten the rear of the Frost Horn.
5. I used the Reavers to block the horn from moving.

Magic: 8 v 6
1. I used Khaine’s ring on 2 dice, but he was able to dispel it.
2. I tried to cast walk on the fire turkey, but he used his dispel scroll.
3. I tried another lame drain magic, but he dispelled that as well.

Shooting:
1. My archers put 1 wound on the ogres.
2. The reavers got 1 on the mammoth.

Ogres 4

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Movement:
1. The Ogres tried to charge my bird. I fled and they stumbled up.
2. The Mammoth turned to face my cav.
3. The guts moved a bit to try and get toward the left.

Magic: 4 v 3
1. My reavers weren’t in his front arc, but I didn’t say anything. He used the ring to try and get my reavers. I dispelled it w/ 2 dice.
2. He cast the Maw on my Fire Chicken, but it scattered off.

Shooting was ineffective

Elves 4

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Movement:
1. The Princes and Frost Turkey combo charged the Frost Mammoth.
2. The fire chicken rallied.
3. The diagram is a bit off. I put my reavers between the fire chicken and guts. I nudged some things around to make it look more correct.

Magic: 4 v 3
1. I cast Walk on the Fire bird and put another 2 wounds on the guts.

Shooting:
1. My archers put another wound on the Ogre Block.

Combat:
1. My Prince put 3 wounds on the Mammoth.
2. The Noble did 2 and finished it off.
3. Both Units reformed to face the center.

Ogres 5

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Movement:
1. His Guts charged my reavers. I fled and bounced through the princes.
2. He redirected to charge my Princes. I decided to stand and take it. If the combat went two rounds, I was in position to bring in the Ice Chicken.
3. His Ogres charged my Fire bird. I fled and he stumbled up.

Magic: 9 v 6 (my notes are a little hazy here)
1. He cast bonecrusher at something. I dispelled it.
2. He tried to put the Big Maw on something, but rolled a misfire. I put the template on his Ogre bus and rolled a direct hit!
3. He started cursing up a storm and sweating bullets. After all of the initiative tests he only did 7 wounds.

Combat:
1. I challenged his tyrant with my Prince. In hindsight this might have been a very reckless move. His general had a sword that made him I10 so I did not get re-rolls to hit. Luckily I still managed to get 2 wounds through his 4 up ward. I took 1 in return.
2. My Noble did 3 wounds.
3. The unit did another 2.
4. 2 Knights died.
5. I won combat by 6 and he had no bsb. The unit fled and I caught it.
6. The diagram is bad here too. My cav bounced 1″ past my fire chicken and were a couple of inches from the Ogre bus all set up to charge next turn.

At that point, my opponent conceded the field.

Victory to the Asur!

Postgame thoughts:

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1. I think my opponent’s list needs some work. He was also totally unprepared to deal with how much this army can move.
2. I dictated when and where combat happened and brought overwhelming force to each fight. This was a classic High Elf Victory in that respect.
3. I was intimidated by this list, becasue of the MSU like character of it. I am definitely more confident in my ability to play it.

List Analysis:

Prince – A+

This guy definitely brought the pain to the rank and file. He also went toe to toe with a Tyrant and walked away the victor. What else is there to say?

Noble – A+

This guy also brought the pain. He took no wounds and his lance was the perfect compliment to my Prince on the charge.

Archmage – B+

I really was not able to pump my ward saves up as much as I liked. I just had too many direct damage spells to be totally useful. Otherwise he did exactly what I needed him to do. I am also less afraid of not having a scroll. The book re-rolls were very useful on a couple dispel attempts.

Dragon Princes – A

They were 3 for 3 in combats and protected my characters. I can’t ask for much more.

Archers – C

They killed some ogres. I’m mad at that one unit for not rallying though!

Reavers – B

I think I really misplayed these guys. With a more competent general, I think they could have earned an A

Skycutter – Incomplete

This thing just got nailed by those belchers. I’m looking forward to seeing what it does in the future

Frost Chicken – A

This is a really nice unit. It busted a unit of leadbelchers and helped shield my character bus from harm during the fight with the mammoth. He is a keeper

Fire Chicken – B

The bird did not earn his points back in wounds, but he severely aggravated my opponent. I think against a T3 infantry army he will do waaaay more damage. With all that said, I’m not sure I would run him if I weren’t running High Magic.

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Deployment

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I was really excited to play this game. My opponent is an extremely experienced tournament player and every time I’ve played him I have learned alot. He and I were both excited to see what happens when a Daemon Army runs into the dreaded BotWD deathstar. My opponent is not in the sky is falling crowd, but he was definitely worried about dealing with the banner.

I did not have a copy of my opponents list:

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It went something like this – 2400 points.

Greater Unclean One – lvl. 4 wizard, He rolled Soul Eater and Unbreakable Skin for his Daemonic Gifts.

19 Plaguebearers w/ full comand and a herald – this herald had Incorporeal Strike as a gift.

38 Plaguebearers w/ full command and 2 heralds – one had corpulous and his bsb had unholy flurry

beast of nurgle

beast of nurgle

beast of nurgle

3 units of 2 nurglings

My list is:
Prince, Giant Blade, Dawnstone, Enchanted Shield, Dragon Armour, Horse
Archmage, Level 4, High Magic, Book of Hoeth, Khaines Ring of Fury, Horse
Noble, BSB, Barded Horse, Halberd, Dragon Armour, Star Lance, Charmed Shield, Golden Crown, Potion of Foolhardiness

5 reavers w/ spears & bows, musician
5 reavers w/ spears & bows, musician
5 reavers w/ spears & bows, musician
5 reavers w/ bows, musician
10 archers
10 archers

Skycutter (no bolt thrower)
12 Dragon Princes w/ full command, BotWD, Ogre Blade, & my characters

Fire Phoenix
Frost Phoenix

This is the 2nd game I’ve been able to play with it and I definitely have some learning to do. There is a very serious execution element to playing this list and while I’m making progress, I definitely need more practice.

Spells went like so:

Greater Unclean One – Curse of the Leper, Rancid Visitations, Plague Wind, Blades of Putrefecation

Archmage – Apotheosis, Hand of Glory, Drain Magic, Arcane Unforging (which I was stupid for keeping-he had no magic items!), and Soul Quench from Khaine’s Ring.

So this is approximately how things looked after scouts and vanguard moves. I deployed widely to try and keep the nurglings out of my flanks and rear. I tried to put the Dragon Princes acrss from his toughest combat block. He of course then chaffed everything in front of them with his nurglings! Looking back, I should have definitely put the Princes out on the left flank and tried to bust up the smaller plaguebearer unit. I’m not sure that would have worked though as his 3 units of scouts could have just chaffed me up there as well.

My opponent definitely went for a point denial strategy here. I knew he was going to do everything possible to keep those two combat blocks and the greater daemon alive.

Turn 1 – Nurgle Daemons

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Movement:

1. His Right most Beast of Nurgle declared a charge against my ER2 unit. I fled, which casued him to fail his charge. He stumbled forward 4″. Unfortunately, I rolled an 11 and ended up bouncing through my phoenix. Fortunately, he did not flee!

2. His left most Beast of Nurgle declared a charge against my left most reaver unit. I fled 10″. – He redirected to my ER4 and I stood for that one, gambling that he couldn’t make it and wanting to prevent his nurglings from pulling anything. He failed and stumbled 4″.

3. His Nurglings on the left declared a charge against ER4. I was waiting for this and fled. 12″ He redirected toward my bus. I think he needed to roll a 12 and failed. I think he went about 3 inches toward it.

4. Hist left most plaguebearer unit moved up.

5. He moved the other nurglings to block up the center and reinforced them with a beast of nurgle.

6. Then he did something I did not expect. He moved the Greater Unclean one and big block of Plaguebearers toward the right flank. Every time I’ve played daemons they have always just come straight at me. This was highly unexpected!

Magic: – He rolled Snakeyes – which triggered a Daemonix Instability Test on Everything!

1. Of course, Nurgle was with him though and he did not suffer a single casualty!

2. With his 2 v 1 dice advantage he got curse of the Leper on the front most unit of Nurglings. They gained 2 T

Turn 1 – Riders of Ulthuan

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Movement:

1. My Flying Chariot Charged the Front Unit of Nurglings

2. Snowflake charged the middle unit of Nurglings. He took 1 wound for failing his DT test.

3. The Reavers all rallied.

4. I moved ER3 up and reformed to not get in the way of ER 4′s shooting.

5. Pontiac flew to the flank of the small Plaguebearer Unit.

6. The Princes Moved Up hoping for the center to clear a charge lane.

7. ER2 moved up to shoot.

8. ER1 moved out of the charge arc of the Right most Beast.

Magic:

1. I rolled 6 & 1 – both phoenixes improved their wardsave by 1

2. We both channeled – dice ended up 8 v 7

3. I used 2 dice on Soul Quench to hit the Beast of Nurgle in the Center. He took 2 wounds.

4. I used 2 dice to go for the Bigger Hand of Glory on my Chariot. It went of with Irresistible Force. I rolled the Str. 10 hit to everyone in base contact, but thankfully the banner saved my bacon and I only lost 1 knight. I lost 2 PD though.

5. I then failed to cast Apotheosis on Snowflake ending my magic phase.

Combat:

1. Between combat and instability, the Chariot crushed the Nurglings and suffered no wounds in return. It overran 9″.

2. Snowflake inflicted 4 wounds and took none in return. He lost 2 more from his Instability test.

Turn 2 – Nurgle Daemons

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Movement:

1. His Greater Unclean One charged my Reavers. I fled, but only rolled a 3!. He caught and destroyed them.

2. His Right Beast declared a charge against ER2. I fled here as well and went back 8″. He redirected to Snowflake though and got him in the flank. I should have just stood for this one. Whoops!

3. The Left most Plague Bearers tried to charge both units of reavers (he redirected) they fled 9 and 10″ respectively. He stumbled forward.

4. He continued to clog up the middle.

5. That big unit of plaguebearers moved just a bit. I corrected the diagram a bit to more accurately describe it’s position.

Magic:

1. He rolled 5 & 1 for Rot Glorious Rot – it hit my knights 9 times, but I saved them all.

2. He put Curse of the Leper on Snowflake with Irresistible Force. This lowered his toughness by 1.

3. His Greater Unclean One was sent back to Hogwarts and he forgot Blades of Putrification and Curse of the Leper.

Combat:

1. Snowflake crushed the Beast of Nurgle with his Attacks! ( I forgot to mention my archers put some wounds on it in the previous turn)

2. Snowflake crushed the Nurglings with his Thunderstomp.

3. He took no wounds in returned and reformed to face the Flanks of the big unit of Plaguebearers.

Turn 2 – Riders of Ulthuan

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Movement: The diagram has some issues here. It is just a bit cluttered.

1. Snowflake hit the flank of the big block of Plague Bearers. I’m not sure that this was my best move, but I just couldn’t let that juicy flank get away.

2. My Knights hit the Nurglings.

3. Pontiac flew over the small unit of Plaguebearers and killed 2.

4. Reavers moved to redirect the small unit of plaguebearers.

5. ER 4 turned to support.

6. Chariot flipped around to set up a flank charge.

7. ER 2 moved up and I turned him to forced the Greater Unclean One to charge him in the front, but when he closed the door it would send him off toward the Archers on the right.

Magic:

1. I rolled 6 & 3 which bumped up the Chickens’ ward save.

2. He channeled so dice were 9 v 7

3. I tried to cast Drain Magic on Snowflake to get rid of curse of the leper, he stopped that.

4. I put Hand of Glory on Snowflake and his stats went up by 2.

5. I healed Snowflake’s wound with Apotheosis.

Shooting:

1. I got a wound on the Greater Unclean One.

2. I also killed one of the plaguebearers in the small unit.

Combat:

1. My bus just crushed the Nurglings, Overran and hit the other Beast of Nurgle.

2. Snowflake v. Plaguebearers

3. His Heralds both made way.

4. Snowflake put 1 wound on the bsb. Thunderstomp failed as well.

5. He took 3 in return, lost by 5, but stuck with my bsb and general nearby.

Turn 3 – Nurgle Daemons

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Movement:

1. Greater Unclean One charged ER2. They fled 8 inches. Big fatty stumbled 5″.

2. He moved his remaining Beast behind the other a bit to try and slow me up after my overrun.

3. The small unit of Plaguebearers did a swift reform to move toward the center.

Magic:

1. He rolled 5 and 1 again for Rot Glorious Rot.

2. It put 1 wound on my chariot and 3 wounds on ER2.

3. He tried to put Rancid Visitations on the Chariot, but I stopped it.

Combat:

1. Snowflake killed the bsb, but ended up on his last wound in return. Snowflake lost again, but stuck due to my bsb. He did a combat reform to get his flank back and gain ranks.

2. His Beast challenged my prince. I did 1 wound to him took none in return, but he took 2 more from his instability test.

Turn 3 – Riders of Ulthuan

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Movement:

1. The Chariot went into support snowflake

2. Pontiac hit the flank of the Plaguebearers.

3. I did not want that small unit of Plaguebearers to hold my bus up, so I put reavers in his rear and flank hoping to hold them up.

4. ER2 rallied and moved around the trees.

Magic:

1. I rolled 3 & 2 boosting the initiative on the phoenixes.

2. I went for the big apotheosis on Snowflake with 3 dice. It went of with Irresistible Force. He recovered 3 wounds, but my wizard also had to re-enroll in Hogwarts. He forgot apotheosis and Hand of Glory.

Combat:

1. My Prince finished off that beast of nurgle.

Reavers v Plaguebearers

1. The Herald made way.

2. I put 1 wound on him for his trouble and 2 more on the unit.

3. 1 reaver from each unit was killed. I won by 2, but he rolled well for his instability test and reformed.

Big Combat

1. The Chariot inflicted 3 wounds.

2. Pontiac did 2 wounds

3. Snowflake did 1, but was killed in return! This really should not have happened and was a major bummer as it robbed me of a thunderstomp. The odds of him losing 4 wounds in this combat should have been pretty low.

4. Pontiac killed another 4 w/ his stomp and the unit suffered another 3 from instability tests!

Turn 4 – Nurgle Daemons

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Movement:

1. His Greater Unclean One charged the flank of my chariot.

Magic:

1. He rolled another 6! Rot Glorious Rot again!

2. He killed 3 of my archers from the unit on the right. They held though

3. He threw all of his dice at the Big Plague Wind. I stopped it with an Irresistible Dispel.

Combat:

Reavers v Plaguebearers

1. My guys inflicted 1 wound.

2. He killed 3 from the unit in his front.

3. He killed 1 to the unit in his flank.

4. We lost by 4, but both units held with the general and bsb nearby.

Big Combat

1. Pontiac killed 1 himself and another 2 with Thunderstomp.

2. The chariot inflicted 1 on the Plaguebearers.

3. His Greater Unclean one crushed the chariot and reformed.

4. Pontiac stuck.

5. The Greater Unclean One Reformed so that he could charge reavers or the bus
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Turn 4 – Riders of Ulthuan

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Movement: The diagram is a bit off here.

1. My Prince Bus was aligned so that if it killed that beast of nurgle it would overrun into the big unit of plague beaers. I charged the beast, crushed it, and overran into the big unit. When I did this, a couple of knights were left out of the combat, but there was nothing I could do with how things were aligned.

2. My remaining 2 reavers on the right moved and reformed to keep the Greater Unclean One away from my bus for at least one more turn.

Magic:

1. I rolled 2 & 1 – this robbed Pontiac of 1 strength.

2. I did not roll for any spells as none of them would be helpful and did not want to risk another miscast.

Combat:

Bus v Beast

1. He challenged my prince. I put 2 wounds on him and took none.

2. Luckily, he popped with his instability test and I overran into the Plaguebearers.

2nd Round of Combat

1. My Prince Challenged – he answered with the unit champion.

2. I got 1 wound through his regen save onto the champion and killed him.

3. My noble got 2 through.

4. His regen saves came through here as none of my other guys inficted any wounds.

5. Pontiac did a couple.

6. He put all of his attakcs on my bsb. I used the charmed shield and saved the rest.

7. Pontiac came through unscathed.

8. He rolled a 3 for his instability test and took no further wounds.

Reavers v Plaguebearers

1. My guys inflicted 1 wound.

2. He killed 2 from the flank unit.

3. Both units stuck
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Turn 5 – Nurgle Daemons

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Movement:

1. Fatty charged the reavers.

Magic:

1. He rolled snakeyes again!

2. Unfortunately all of his tests only put 1 wound on the small plaguebearer unit.

3. He threw 3 dice at plague wind and failed.

Combat:

1. He crushed all of my reavers and reformed to face the bus.

Big Combat

1. My Prince Challenged – his herald refused and slunk to the back.

2. My Prince put 2 on the unit.

3. The regen saves went crazy again, the rest of my guys did nothing!

4. Pontiac got 3 wounds through between his attacks and stomp.

5. I won combat and he rolled double 6 for his instability test! The unit went poof!

6. I reformed the knights and bird to face the small unit of plaguebearers.

Turn 5 – Riders of Ulthuan

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I double charged the unit of plaguebearers and we called it.

We both figured that unit would probably pop, but even if it didn’t my guys weren’t going anywhere.

Glory to the Asur!

Postgame thoughts:

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1. Even with the banner, daemons are still pretty rough. They do not break, have regen, and daemonic instability makes them very difficult to kill.

2. Had that big unit of plaguebearers stuck around, I think we were headed for a draw. I’m not sure exactly about the point totals of the units on the board, but it would have been close.

3. I think my list is pretty tough, but man it could be a whole lot tougher. Silver Helm Core + White Lion BotWD deathstar – yeowch.

4. I’m still not sure I’m playing my reavers correctly. I also may have been way too impatient when I put Snowflake into the flank of that big unit of plague bearers.

Unit by Unit Grades:

Prince – A

His leadership 10 bubble was truly helpful here. I did not fail a fear test with anything and it made a huge impact on keeping my reavers in the game. He also did a fair bit of butt kicking on his own.

Noble – A

The bsb did what a bsb does. He also weathered the storm of about 8 attacks in one round of combat. Of course the banner helped out too.

ArchMage – D

While not entirely his fault, my magic phases were extremely uneffective.

Snowflake – A

I think he fell to some unlikely dice rolls. He pretty much took on the center of the enemy army all by himself and lasted through several rounds of combat. The Frost bird is one tough cookie.

Pontiac – B

He did not achieve what Snowflake did, but was a key contributor to that big combat in the middle. Unfortunately, with the death of snowflake his ability to strip regen came after all of my knights made their attacks. He isn’t a frost chicken, but I still think there is a place for him.

Skycutter – B

This thing is just a fragile charge machine. It did clear out the Nurglings, but I just wish I could get it in combat with a unit that breaks.

Archers – C

They did a few wounds, but more importantly didn’t die

Reavers – A

I think these guys are extremely dynamic and whatever failings they have are more due to my inability to play them right. I was mightily impressed by how long they held up that smaller unit of plague bearers.

Dragon Princes – C

Other than holding the banner, my knights really didn’t kill anything. They are going to have to do better next time

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Im Kern sehen wir bei der Beispielliste ein Kavalarie Varriante eines Todessterns. Gegenüber dem klassischen Todesstern aus Weißen Löwen, ist dieser mit den Drachenprinzen etwas mobiler und damit etwas schwer zu bändigen.

Nicht destotrotz sieht man anhand des zweiten Spiels recht deutlich, wie ein Todesstern durch Umlenker für eine lange Zeit aus dem Spiel genommen werden kann. Im ersten Spiel sehen wir recht schön, wie gut der mobilitäts Vorteil der Liste ausgespielt werden kann wenn es gut läuft. Im zweiten Spiel hingegen konnte der Gegner genau diesen mobilitäts Vorteil gut neutralisieren. Am Ende des zweiten Spiels hatte der Hochhelfen Spieler etwas Glück dass die große Seuchenhütter Horde mit doppel sechs geploppt ist und die Grenzreiter den kleineren Seuchenhütterblock so lange binden konnen. Mit Papa (Großer Dämone des Nurgel) in der Flanke und zweitem Seuchenhütterblock im Rücken, bin ich mir nicht sicher ob der 2+ Retter durch das Banner genügt hätte um ein Unendschieden zu erzwingen, wie der Autor prognostiziert.

Diesmal zwar kein Schlachtbericht, aber dafür eine fluffige (nicht-optimierte) Hochelfen Kavallarie Armee die vielleicht ein paar nette Gedankenanstöße bietet:

Zitat von "vladamex"

Hi all,

With the new book coming out I was finally able to create a fun and fluffy list I always wanted to try - featuring Beasts magic, lots of characters and many fast-moving units. I tried the list once on UB and had a blast (most fun I had playing with any list for a long while) - I am looking forward to playing more and trying out more things.

Disclaimer: I really enjoy the list building aspect of the hobby and I like to "optimize" my lists However, the current list has been purposely optimized for a couple of things:
1) It needs to be fun to play (at least for me, you may like different things)
2) It needs to have a theme -> the list will feature Lore of Beasts, lots of characters & units with good mobility
3) I want to try out some units/combos that are probably suboptimal for competitive play and give them a run. I expect parts of my list to perhaps change as I try new things and discover interesting combos
4) No tailoring vs. a specific opponent - all comers all the way!

So, without further ado, here's the original version of my list:

Rationale for the list:
- I wanted 2 Beasts mages for the opportunity to take both Book and Scroll, and to take double Wyssans. If I also roll Savage, it will be very hard for my opponents to stop either Savage or at least 1 Wyssans from going through
- I wanted to take many nobles to maximize my "Savage Beasts potential" and also for fun. I've specialized my nobles so that one of them is tough & resilient (BSB), the other is an anti-armor guy (with Star Lance) and the third one is the shooty guy (with Reaver Bow).
- Core is very simple - 3 minimal units each of fast cav and heavy cav, giving me many possible options with chars and keeping my opponent guessing
- Special and Rare slots are my "test bench" at the moment:
--- From the moment I got the book, I wanted to try out a unit of 3 Tiranoc chariots, and a unit of several great eagles, so here they are
--- I wanted to try the Skycutters with Bolt Thrower, so I added a pair (btw. I'm a big fan of regular RBTs, so I wanted to see if their mobile baby-brothers are any good)
--- I wanted to try the Flaming phoenix -> while his big brother the Frostbird is definitely awesome (and I may be trying him too later), the Flamebird has lots of things going for it too. First, it's really fun to play (and has great fluff) and second, it helps this list against the deep inf blocks (cavalry unit's worst nightmare) so it complements the list very well I think.

There are more things that I'd like to try over time, but not everything can fit into a 2400 pts list at once. Here's my "to-do" list:

Things to try out in further games:
- Put L1 beasts mage on foot, possibly upgraded to L2 so I can threaten with Transformation of Kadon
- 10 Shadow Warriors as a bunker for the L1 mage
- A unit of 5 dragon princes with Flaming banner (anti-regen)
- Another monsters - likely a Frost Phoenix or a Griffon
- Mounted Prince with Blade of Leaping Gold (horse/eagle/griffon mounts all look interesting)
- Bigger units of Silver Helms

I already played one game on UB with this list - it was a 2400 points match vs. Stegadon-heavy Life Slaan Lizardmen list. It was lots of fun, and I learned a couple of interesting things on how this list and these units work.

I will try to upload the BR soon so we can discuss it together - in the meantime, I would encourage everyone to try a Beasts list like this - I had tons of fun, and I think my opponent enjoyed the game too

C&C welcome!

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Kavallerie ... ja

Das doppel L hatte ich unterschlagen

This is the “Master List” I use when playing my High Elves.

It is based on the tournament meta around here – 2400 points, no named characters, no units with more than 80 models, no units > 500 points sans characters.

+++ No Name (2400pts) +++

I was lucky to get a game in against chaos dwarfs a couple of weeks ago, but hadn’t gotten around to writing up a report until now.

It was a weird game and my notes were not that great, so this isn’t as good as I’d like it to be. I also stopped recording what the Sorcerous Portal did early on as it had basically no impact on the game. I hate that terrain feature!

Anyway, I hope you enjoy.

High Elves v Chaos Dwarfs!

Overview
Location: Eastside Games n Cards
Date played: Saturday, June 15, 2013
Chaos Dwarfs
General: Bob Marley

Deployment

Deployment after Vanguard Moves

Chaos Dwarfs 1

Elf 1

Chaos Dwarfs 2

Elves 2

Chaos Dwarf 3

Elf 3

Post Game Thoughts

Zitat von "Vindicare"

So... after a six-and-a-half year break from the WH-World. Originally I had dusted of a few my old WH Computer games, and bought the WH40K Dawn of War. One thing let to another, and suddenly I found the few remaining models I still had left and started painting and assembling an army. That happened to be an old HE Army that I never to around to finish, and thus never really played.

I started reading up on both the rules and the High Elves – namely here on Ulthuan.net and on a local site. Mostly looking for inspiration for which route to go, various tactics and strategies, and I have already learned a lot from reading what others are doing. That partly inspired me to start a blog. While I am uncertain as to how often I can and will write, I will try to keep it updated on the most important part as I learn to master the might of Ulthuan.

I have been fiddling around with various builds. Around here we use various comp-systems, and I have had to try to figure out how build around that. I do like shooting, but most shooty High Elves lists seems to perform rather poorly, and given the restrictions we have on magic it makes it even harder. I then started looking into a Dragon build similar to the one Malossar Dragonborne is using. Unfortunately we are only playing 2400'ish, so I end up with a Prince setup that I am unpleased with, no Archmage, and the choice between BotWD and a Phoenix as per our comp rules. Then I saw a Bat-rep involving a Dragon Prince Bus, so I started looking into that. Here is what I came up with:

Archmage
Elven Steed, Level 4, Life, Golden Crown of Atrazar, Khaine's Ring of Fury, Power Stone

Prince
Heavy Armor, Shield, Barded Elven Steed, Dawnstone, Dragonhelm, Giant Blade, Potion of Foolhardiness

Mage
Elven Steed, Level 2, Beasts, Dispel Scroll, Ruby Ring of Ruin

Noble
BSB, Heavy Armour, Barded Elven Steed, Luckstone, Ogre Blade

Noble
Heavy Armor, Barded Elven Steed, Star Lance, Charmed Shield, The Other Trickster's Shard

10 Archers

5 Ellyrian Reavers
Spears

5 Ellyrian Reavers
Spears

5 Ellyrian Reavers
Spears

10 Silver Helms
Full Command, Shields

10 Dragon Princes of Caledor
Full Command, Banner of the World Dragon

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower

Frostheart Phoenix
2399pts

I have by no means given up on other builds, but I figured this was a good place to start as a new player. Today was my first game. I had talked to Thomas, one of the organizers of an upcoming tournament and he agreed to help me beat of the rust, while testing our lists. I had no idea what I was going to be playing, and given our comp-system not sure how many points either (Three categories A: 2200 pts, B: 2400pts, C: 2600pts, each with its own set of restrictions). Here is what he showed up with:

Warriors of Chaos

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch
Exalted Hero, BSB, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Mount, Talisman of Preservation
Chaos Sorcerer, lvl 1, Lore of Fire, Dispel Scroll
Chaos Sorcerer, lvl 2, Lore of Metal
6 Chaos Trolls
20 Chaos Warriors, Mark of Tzeentch, Halberds
18 Chaos Warriors, Mark of Tzeentch
5 Warhounds of Chaos
5 Warhounds of Chaos
3 Chaos Chariots
4 Skullcrushers of Khorne

2600pts

As it would turn out this was a fun and interesting game. It was my first time meeting Thomas, who was a good sport despite a few unfortunate rolls. A special thanks goes out to Thomas for helping me ease back into a game with a friendly game in good spirit.

Deployment

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Before I start explaining the deployment, I remind you that this is not only my first game in six or so years it is also my first ever battle report and my first time using battle chronicler, so if things seem a bit odd at times that is why.

Anyways as for the deployment I didn't have too much to go on. I wanted the DP-Bus to tie up his characters and preferably get a charge of on the trolls, and I had an idea that my Frost Phoenix might be able to handle Skullcrushers, and that with the Reavers nearby I would be able to set up the charge as I best saw fit. Other than that I decided to take this as much as a learning experience as anything else. Despite finishing deployment first, I lost the roll for first turn – oh well...

Archmage: Earthblood, Awakening of the Wood, Flesh to Stone, The Dwellers Below
Mage: Wyssan's Wildform, The Curse of Anraheir
Chaos Sorc of Fire: Fireball
Chaos Sorc of Metal: Enchanted Blades of Aiban, Searing Doom

WoC Turn 1

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No surprises on his first turn. Everything moves forward. He had however made a mistake in placing his trolls further than 12” away from the Prince AND he forgot his original plan was to have the BSB join them. That meant they failed their stupidity test and stumbled forward 5”. Behind them the warriors was stuck.

Magic was 9 vs. 6 as I channeled one. He threw Fireball on my reavers. I dispelled. His Metal mage was out of range for his only other offensive spell Searing Doom.

HE Turn 1

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I moved up my left most reavers and my Phoenix according to planned. I knew his Dogs could charge, but I found that move highly unlikely. My reavers in the middle went to protect the Bus, and everything else shuffled forward.

Magic was somewhat uneventful. I got off Awakening of the Wood on the Warhounds in the forest and removed them. Everything passed panic.

Shooting: Got rid of a few more hounds, but they passed their panic test.

WoC Turn 2

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The Skullcrushers charged as planned, while his supporting Chariot tried to cover their flank. The warriors made a charge on the reavers covering the DP Bus on an 8 – poor judgement on my part not to flee. It was even worse when his Chariot Charged my Silver Helms, when his Prince charged I decided to flee, forgetting that his Chariot on the right could also declare a charge making them flee of the table. That was 260 points well spend. Live and learn.

In the magic phase he managed to push through a fireball on my Archers killing 4. And in combat his Skullcrushers and Warriors did what they do. Warriors reformed, while the 'crushers overran by 6.

HE Turn 2:

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My Bus charged his Trolls and my Phoenix went into the Skullcrushers. The reavers moved over to protect the flank of my bus in case I should fluff my attacks.

All my magic was dispelled either by dices or scrolls, and my shooting proved ineffective trying to rid the world of one of his Chariots. In combat the Phoenix won by two, but the Skullcrushers were Steadfast and held. His BSB Challenged and mine accepted expecting him to have a magical weapon... which he did not. Luckely his BSB fluffed the attacks, and his 3+ ward save to take a wound dealing nothing in return. The prince, and noble along with the Dragon Princes tore the Trolls a new one. His two trolls, able to make their attacks, in return decided to throw up all over my Prince dealing one wound. He failed to roll snake-eyes even with a reroll, but outran my bus who had apparently gotten tired from all the troll-butchering – they did however manage to get into the Warriors.

WoC turn 3

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I popped Potion of Foolhardiness. Not surprisingly his Chariot made his way into my phoenix. His unengaged warriors charged my last unit of reavers, they fled, rolled a 10 and he – starting 5” away rolled an 11. So far so good on the whole fleeing deal. The Trolls regrouped and the rest of his army set up in hopes of being able to charge next turn.

His Mage managed to cast Enchanted Blades of Aiban on the Skullcrushers with an IF. The blast killed of three warriors and took a wound off of the mage. All my 2+ Ward Saves were made. In combat I failed The picture here is a little off. I chose between reforming to take a bunch of charges in the front (and maybe on in the flank) or trying to overrun far enough to get out of trouble. I went for the ladder and rolled an impressive 12. The charge did two impact hits including the scythed wheels, and overall managed to do one wound. The Phoenix did two, and lost combat by two, but stuck.

HE Turn 3:

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I Reformed my bus and awaited an all out charge. The pillow-fight in the left corner went on and my archmage IF'ed an earthblood and lost two levels.

One of the RBTs connected with a chariot for two wounds, the other one hit but failed to wound. The archers shot at the warriors and killed one.

WoC Turn 4.

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His Daemon Prince didn't want to get into it with my bus so he just stuck around for the inspiring presence. The warriors in my deployment zone went on sweeping duty taking out a boltthrower.
The Phoenix took off the Chariots last wound, still lost combat but stuck around.

HE Turn 4

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It had been a while since my last major mistake, so I figured it was time to pop another one. While trudging backwards I figured that I could get rid of the Warhound with ease. Surely enough come my magic phase I forgot all about that. My mages both used their rings on the trolls, and when that finished I quickly realized my mistake. The shooting killed two and the third passed it's LD test

In combat the Phoenix did two wounds to the Skullcrushers. They failed their LD test on a roll of 11. The picture is a little wrong here, as you might deduce.

WoC Turn 5.

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The hounds kept moving into the way of bus, and the Daemon Prince moved towards my Phoenix. His Warriors kept their janitor round in my deployment zone.

HE Turn 5

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I decided enough was enough and charged the last hound. The Phoenix got out of the way. With only two wounds left I didn't like the chances of defeating an untouched Daemon Prince.

WoC Turn 6.

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The Trolls yet again failed their stupidity test, stumbled forward 1" and everything moved out of the way.

HE Turn 6.

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I finished off the Trolls with my busSo, lots of mistakes and lots to be learned from this experience. I did pull out a 14-6 win, which surprised me. But like we agreed, with his Superman Daemon Prince being unable to even touch my bus it seemed unlikely that he would ever truly be able to kill enough points and once the Skullcrushers broke it netted me enough points to take out the victory

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Und hier mal das Ruhmreiche Ende eines Drachenprinzen Todessterns:

Zitat von "Vindicare"

Finally, a I got around to get some writing done, after a busy week involving a lot of work for my team, and thankfully an important victory. As mentioned earlier I attended my first tournament last week and decided to go with the following list.

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Archmage
Elven Steed, Level 4 Wizard, Lore of Life, Khaine's Ring of Fury, Power Stone

Prince
Heavy Armor, Shield, Barded Elven Steed, Dawnstone, Dragonhelm, Giant Blade

Mage
Elven Steed, Level 2 Wizard, Lore of Beasts, Dispel Scroll, Ruby Ring of Ruin

Noble
Battle Standard, Great Weapon, Heavy Armor, Shield, Barded Elven Steed, BotWD

Noble
Heavy Armor, Barded Elven Steed, Star Lance, Enchanted Shield, TOTS

10 Archers

5 Ellyrian Reavers

5 Ellyrian Reavers

5 Ellyrian Reavers

10 Silver Helms
Full Command, Shields

10 Dragon Princes of Caledor
Full Command, Banner of Eternal Flame, Charmed Shield, Ogre Blade

1 Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower

1 Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower

1 Frostheart Phoenix

Catergora B: 2400

Game 1: Warriors of Chaos – Stefan (#5 Final)

Category A: 2200

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Daemon Prince of Nurgle
Exalted Hero on Steed of Slaanesh
Exalted Hero BSB on Demonic Mount
Sorcerer of Chaos on Steed of Slaanesh, level 1, Lore of Metal
Chaos Chariot w. Mark of Nurgle
Chaos Chariot w. Mark of Nurgle
Chaos Chariot w. Mark of Nurgle
Gorebeast Chariot
Gorebeast Chariot
Chaos Giant w. Mark of Nurgle
10 Marauders Horsemen w. Flains and Javelins.

Stefan is about as experienced as they get around here, he chose his army because of the speed with which games would be able to be finished, as he had brought his son along. He, Stefan, is among a select few being considered for the Danish ETC National Team Coach. As such one would think he would be encouraging towards new players – unfortunately he gave no such impression during our game, and I wouldn't mind not having to play him again. I'll just leave it at that. In any event this game might be as bad as I played all day - which was no fault of hia. Although my dices were iffy, I was nowhere near getting a victory.

My deployment started out bad. There was a part of the table that I was unaware was part of the battlefield, and in the end I had to put my DPs on that side to sure it up. The following pictures are a pretty much a manual on how not to play against a bearded up CoW army.

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I don't really have much to add to any of the images. I might have forgotten a few details a long the way. I think I failed pretty much any and all panic checks I could, and I was only able to kill of a single chariot. I made so many mistakes, a lot of which were based on inexperience, while others were simply me not thinking properly. In my defense I was severely sleep deprived as my team had played our last regular season game the night before (and won) and then had a four to five hour drive home, during which I couldn't sleep as our rookies were being humiliated for most of the trip

It was optimistic of me to charge the Gorebeast Chariot with the Phoenix. He followed up with one of the death spells to take of 4 wounds on my Phoenix before the chariots had even begun hitting. Had I broken it on my turn, it might have changed things a little bit, but overall I don't see any way I would have won that game the way I played it. 0-20, oh well - it could only go one way from here. *Putting this in the "how-not-to-play" portfolio"

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