MSU-Battle-Reports (English)

Sicher hat der ein oder andere von euch schon vom MSU (Mulit-Small-Units) Armeekonzept bei Hochelfen gehört. Dennoch habe ich hier im Forum immer wieder den Eindruck dass viele keine klare Vorstellung davon haben, was man mit einer solchen Armee anfangen soll und wie sie sich spielt.

Im folgenden möchte ich einen kleinen Einblick in die Spielweise diese Spielkonzepts geben in dem ich euch zwei Schlachtberichte zeige, die ich kürzlich gelesen habe. Beide Schlachten zeichen sich insbesondere dadurch aus dass die gegnerische Armeeliste ausgesprochen unangenehm für eine MSU HE Armee sind. Beide Schlachten zeigen was MSU-Armeen leisten können und wie sie sich spielen lassen:

Zitat von "Swordmaster of Hoeth"

Greetings!

I had a very nice opportunity to test my army under new rules against Vampire Counts led by my good friend Adam. Adam wanted a practice game before one-day tournament (which I sadly could not attend) and I was more than happy to be his sparring partner. He didn't make it an easy task for me either as he decided to use quite a tough army.

Vampire Counts - Army List

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Ghoul King on Terrorgheist: level 1, +1W, -3 Ld test or reroll hits, Dragonbane gem, Flaming rod - Lore of the Vampires

BSB on hellsteed: Sword of Might, Enchanted Shield, Dawnstone, HA, ASF, enemies in base reroll successful fear tests, level 2 - Lore of the Vampires

Necromancer: Ruby Ring, Dispel Scroll - Lore of the Vampires

47 Zombies, Standard, Musician

45 Ghouls, ghast

6 Vargheists

3 Fell bats

2 x TerrorGheist

Big fliers are very tough opponent for my small units, especially infantry. Terrorgheists are even better at eliminating the small cavalry units with their screaming attacks. What is worse, they can charge and scream into combat too. One is a tough nut to crack and I had to face 3 of them, where one was mounted by a Ghould King himself. Pretty good combat monster if you ask me. He was not equipped to take after some well armored enemies but his strength combined with hatred and very high initiative meant any unit he decided to attack can be potentially destroyed in a single round. The reason for that is simple, his attacks + terrorgheist's scream + its attacks + thunderstomp = lots of dead elves.

If the infernal trio was not enough there was also BSB who was very good at combat, big enough unit of vargheists that could destroy my small units on their own too and two huge infantry regiments. Very hard to destroy, especially with all these flying monsters around.

In theory the magic was not that strong. However, 3 casters, all taking invocation and 2 bound spells meant that I was looking at a very difficult situation where any wounds on terrorgheists or characters can be healed in no time.

Outcasts - Army List

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Archmage, level 4, Earthing Rod, Golden Crown - Lore of Metal
Battle Standard Bearer, Dragon Armor, Halberd, Charmed Shield, Potion of Strength, Reaver Bow

2 x 15 LSG, Full Command
2 x 5 Ellyrian Reavers, Musician, Spear, Bow

2 x 5 Dragon Princes, Musician
2 x 12 Swordmasters, Bladelord, Musician
10 White Lions, Muscian, Banner of Eternal Flame
10 White Lions, Muscian, Gleaming Pennant
7 Shadow Warriors

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower
2 x Great Eagle
8 Sisters of Avelorn

I haven't had a success against similar armies so far. I had one memorable encounter against another friend of mine, Gatti, who with a similar army really beat me to a bloody pulp. Remembering the lessons from that game I decided to deploy further away (almost at the ending edge) trying to ensure units were in close proximity to each other. I wanted to try to harm Terrorgheists as much as possible so that their screaming attacks were less dangerous and seek opportunities to attack them and destroy them in combat.

At the same time I decided to slow down infantry hordes with either eagles or other fast elements. I planned to play a different game than usual. Instead of sweeping maneuvers I wanted to bid my time, keep close formation and shoot at the enemy, at the same time denying easy combats if possible.

Deployment

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Ghoul King and his minions

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Deployment of the armies after vanguard and scouting moves

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As the deployment is often so crucial to the games I wanted to come up with some plan to do it well this time. I won the roll off to pick the side and decided the one with the hill in the deployment zone would be better for obvious reasons.

But I had two things to consider. First, I knew that the longer I postpone the combats the better the chances to actually destroy all these nasty fliers. Second, my opponent would probably want to use that big building to hide his beasts from some of my shooters. We also agreed that despite the fact the King and his pet were mounted on a small building that made him "taller" than regular terrorgheist he would still be hidden behind one of his other beasts.

With more drops I could see where Adam was about to position his minions and I wanted to use that knowledge to deploy relatively diagonally. If he opted to go for the right flank, I could deploy around the hill. When he chose the the left flank, I could deploy my forces center and right to put more distance between our armies.

I was not exactly happy with my Shadow Warriors deployment but I will come back to it after the game. Other than that I thought I am relatively ok but again, there will be some considerations after the game.

We rolled for spells in the meantime and respective wizards had:

Ghoul King - Invocation
BSB - Invocation, Hellish Vigor
Necromancer - Invocation

Archmage - Searing Doom, Enchanted Blades, Glittering Robe, Final Transmutation

Adam had a very good redundancy in his magic phase and backed up by bound spells that phase of the game might be difficult to contain. I was happy with my own spells selection as I had something for different occasion. Searing Doom was obviously there to help me hunt down the BSB. Enchanted Blades would be cast either on Eagle Claw to help to hit with these single shots and in combat on Swordmasters so they could hit on 2+ (who needs re-rolls anyway!). Final Transmutation would be handy against Ghoul Horde too.

Unsurprisingly Adam won the roll off for the first turn and Ghoul King moved as the first one:

Vampire Counts - Turn 1

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Undead move forward slowly

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Unded fliers take to the sky

Ghoul King ordered his pets to fly with him behind the relative safety of the nearby building. Knowing they would still be too far away to scream at the Elves, he didn't want to risk being a target for enemy shooters. But that maneuver meant his infantry was left behind and moved at a very slow pace.

Outcasts - Turn 1

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High Elves maintain their formation

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Only fast units move ... fast!

Shadow Warriors run behind the hill knowing the flying vargheists would see them anyway but hoped they would draw their attention and bring forward towards White Lions and Dragon Princes waiting to intercept.

Other units readjusted their positions but in general the army maintained the formation. Then the shooters opened fire at the terrorgheist left in the open and badly wounded the beat. Unfortunately it was still alive and limped away to be healed by its master.

Vampire Counts - Turn 2

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Ghoul King directs his monsters to prepare for the attack from the flank

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Close up on the deadly trio

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And another zoom

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Vargheists took the bait

On the left flank Ghouls attacked Shadow Warriors but were soon left behind by charging Vargheists. Elven rangers retreated but were not swift enough to avoid their pursuers, who now sit very close to White Lions and Dragon Princes.

On the right flank undead fliers moved further to the side of the battle field. This time terrorgheists screamed at reavers and all brave ellyrians fell to the ground. Evil necromantic magic started to repair the damage elven arrows did to the terrorgheist.

Outcasts - Turn 2

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Elves form the crescent of death

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Attack on the left flank

Seeing the opportunity to destroy enemy unit and slow down the infantry, elves attack on the left flank. Dragon Princes and White Lions both charge as one. No less than 4 of the evil vargheists are destroyed as a result of a vicious combat. But the price is high and none of the Lions survives it either. Dragon Princes were determined, however, to finish them once and for all and avenge the fallen companions.

On the right flank intervening impassable terrain made it impossible for another group of lions and princes to perform preemptive strike. Cavalry withdrew and lions moved a little bit forward to be able to attack soon.

The rest of the army formed a crescent and unleashed their arrows again. This time ghoul king himself became the target and although he suffered only a flesh wound his mount barely kept itself together. One more arrow and it would be dead for good.

Vampire Counts - Turn 3

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Closing in for a a kill!

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Undead fliers ready to attack

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Crucial moment of the battle!

Dragon Princes on the left flank managed to destroy remaining vargheists and reformed to face a new target. Ghouls and Zombies tried to catch swift reavers but it was nigh impossible.

On the right flank Ghoul King decided on the risky maneuver. He ordered his monsters to get as close to the elves as possible so that they would have nowhere to withdraw. But he first had to heal his pets and survive incoming arrows. His plans were destroyed by the archmage who dispelled his and bsb's attempts to heal the terrorgheists. Only Lions suffered single casualty from the evil spell hidden in magical item carried by the king.

That was bad news for the undead as their wounded monsters were now all in the open. The only good part was that one of the terrorgheists destroyed whole squadron of the heavy cavalry with its powerful scream.

Outcasts - Turn 3

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Shooting and magic prove to be deadly

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High Elves gain the upper hand

Victorious Dragon Princes on the left flank charged into the ghoul horde in order to hunt down the necromancer. They wounded him once but could not finish him yet. More ghouls were destroyed and dragon princes were now surrounded by evil corpse eaters.

But the main strike was done on the right flank. Winds of magic blew weak so elven archmage summoned his powers to cast a single spell. None of the vampires could stop him and from the armored form of vampire battle standard bearer only a smoking husk remained.

Encouraged by such a feat all the shooters aimed at the wounded terrorgheist and destroyed it for good this time. Although two more and the ghoul king still remained it was a very powerful strike and significantly reduced the offensive power of the vampire army.

Vampire Counts - Turn 4

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Vampires finally attacked

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Elven units hold

Dragon Princes, now completely alone, fought valiantly and finally got the necromancer. More ghouls crumbled to dust too.

Ghoul King decided to attack White Lions all by himself. His hatred led his powerful arm and more than half of a unit perished. But remaining Lions stubbornly held the line and dealt the final blow to the badly wounded terrorgheist.

The last of the beasts charged thin line of the warriors of Hoeth. Many of them died and they focused on defense so the monster was not wounded badly. But enough of them held to hold the line and now they could join the forces with nearby sea guard.

Outcasts - Turn 4

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Last of the terrorgheist was destroyed

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Brave Dragon Princes could not hold the horde of ghouls forever

On the left flank dragon princes were finally overwhelmed by the ghouls but held them for long enough to prevent any further trouble.

Swordmasters were aided by the sea guard and reavers all charging from the flank. The Archmage enchanted the blades of the warriors of Hoeth and they weakened the monster. Sea guards spears hit hard too. But the last blow was dealt by one of the stallions of the finest ellyrian stock and the terrorgheist was no more.

Seeing this Ghould King made a cry of hatred and despair. His plan in tatters and his army turned to dust. He dispatched a few more lions and disengaged leaving a sole survivor proudly holding regimental standard high.

Elves were victorious!

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Schlacht 2:

Zitat von "Hinge"

So I got my first game in with the new book and it was against my old army, WoC. The build I faced is a pretty tough build and was not confident going in. No pictures as my army was pretty much fully proxied.

My list

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Lore Master, BoH, ToP 330
Noble, BSB, Dragon Armor, GW, Enchanted Shield, Reaver Bow, Pot of ST. 159

Characters 489

10 Archers, Mus, Std. 120
12 Archers, Mus, Std- 140
5 Reavers, Spear, Bow, Mus 115
5 Reavers, Spear, Bow, Mus 115
6 Silver Helms, Champ, Mus, Shields 158

Core 648
6 Swordmasters, 78
6 Swordmasters, 78
5 Shadow Warriors 70
6 Dragon Princes, Mus, Std, Banner of Flame 194
12 White Lions, Mus, Std, 176
Tiranoc Chariot 70
Tiranoc Chariot 70
Special 736

2x RBT 140
2x Eagles 100
Frostheart Phoenix 240
5 Sisters- 70
5 Sisters - 70

Rare 620

My Opponent

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Demon Prince, MoN, L4 Death, Chaos Armor, Flight, Charmed Shield, Sword of Striking, Dragon Bane Gem, Soul Feeder, Chaos Familiar, Flaming Breath
BSB, Demonic Mount, Barding, Enchanted Shield, ToP, Burning Body
Throgg
8 Trolls
Chaos Chariot
Chaos Chariot, MoN
Chaos Chariot, MoN
5 Hounds
Gorebest Chariot, MoN
Gore Beast Chariot, MoN
Chimera
3 Skull Crushers

A fast and extremely durable army that should give me some fits. The good news is I had some practice against a more vicious version of this list, so had some ideas.

I felt the trolls would be an excellent objective as I was packing a great deal of flaming shots, spells, and attacks. With no enemy shooting and all my opponents’ spells able to pick the characters out of unit, I had some flexibility to run them out on their own.

The critical question was target priority. I felt I could shoot at it for one (or two if I went first) turns before it would be on me. Past experience has taught me they can be very resilient to shooting and soul feeder will often get them their wounds back. I was tempted to ignore the beast as best I could but the addition of Death magic scared me. My characters were pretty vulnerable.

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Demon Prince Spells-Spirit Leach, Caress, Soul Feeder, Doom and Darkness, Fate

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WoC Turn 1

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To the surprise of the waiting High Elfs, the minions of evil advance with surprising caution. Even so, the creature from the depths of nightmares summons his powers of chaos. Loremaster Faichon’s attempts at defense are easily swatted aside and Battle Standard Bearer Hulon is driven to his knees. Hulon feels his soul being ripped from his body, his vision dimming, and the fabric of reality bending to the Demons will. As the pain becomes unbearable, there is a flash, and it is as if the weight of the world has been lifted. Shaken, Hulon stands, feeling the warmth emanating from his armor. It is clear the armor forged in the heat of dragon’s breath by the master smiths of Vaul’s Forge proved its worth against foul magics.

The Demon was able to punch a Caress through the Loremasters attempts to dispel. He did 3 wounds, but I made 2 of the 6+ Dragon Armor ward saves. Wow.

Helf Turn 1 Ele Movement Arrows!

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Hulon downs the potion that the Lore master had given him and readied his bow. Finding a good position on the upper floor of a farm, he takes aim at the foul Demon. Hulon always wondered about the Human saying –Payback is a female dog. Well he decided to acquaint the Demon with it.

The first unit of sisters charged the hounds. I backed the Dragon princes up to open the range from the Demon Prince while setting up a potential counter charge with the chariot. The shadow warriors gamely step in front of the Skull crushers. Archers and the characters occupy the house.

Faichon draws upon the Winds and prepares to show the foul creature of chaos what a Loremaster of Hoeth can do.

A big winds roll and the Book leads to one of the best magic phases I have ever had. From memory I cast, a 2 die fireball at the trolls, Earthblood, small Shems at the trolls, Searing Doom at a Gorebeast chariot, and Spirit Leach at a chariot. Searing Doom and Fireball were stopped. The Book consistently allowed me to have high casting values on 2 or 3 die (or even 1 in the case of Shems). It actually felt more powerful then casting with a L4.

I shoot a chariot at the Demon Prince and hit twice to pull the charmed shield. Much to my surprise, the other shot not only wounds, but gets through the Demon’s defenses. Next up is the BSB, who sticks 2 wounds. The first RBT misses but the second finishes it off. Other shooting plinks a couple more wounds off the trolls.

The Sisters break the hounds, who stop just in front of the trolls.

Woc Turn 2

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The fall of their Demonic Master spurs the slaves of chaos into action. With a crack of whips and rumble of wheels, the host surges forward. Alas many of the units are just too far away.

I was hoping the hounds would rally in front of the trolls but no such luck. They move up.
The far chariot beats the Silver Helms but fails to catch them. The other combats go as expected with the Chimera over running off the table. I placed my eagle behind the SC within 6 inches of the Shadow Warriors and I pay for my mistake when it fails its panic test.

Helf Turn 2

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Tiranoc chariot makes long charge at one of the nurgle chariots.

The sisters stand their ground in the face of the Trolls. The eagle rallied but the Reavers realize their duty is to interdict the mighty skull crushers. Dragon Princes back up a little to prepare their counter charge.

The Loremaster conjures up another powerful magic phase. Wysans on the chariot. Searing doom is stopped but a 2 die fireball gets through.

The magic phase is followed by an all out effort at the trolls. The Bows of Averlorn prove their worth. By the end, only 2 trolls and Throgg remain.

The boosted chariot smashes the chaos Chariot, its brother is awed and flees before being the next target.

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WoC Turn 3

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Enraged by the flaming arrows of Averlorn, the Servants of Chaos continue to charge forward.

One of the sisters flee a charge and prove to be amazingly fleet footed, retiring to the camp. Their militia brothers prove stouter, but the Gorebeast Chariot crushes them. Throgg smashes the other RBT to pieces in frustration. The BSB and SC mow down the Reavers, who death is not in vain. Finally the last chariot finishes off the Silver Helms.

Helf Turn 3

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The Dragon Princes decide it is time to join the action. Spuring their swift steeds, they charge the huge contraption floundering in the woods. Losing one of their number to the treacherous terrain, they take heart that the other chariot has joined them in the hunt.

I place the eagle in front of the other Gore Beast Chariot on the off chance Frosty cannot get the job done. I know that Gorebeast Chariots are unbelievably tough and have no idea what the Frost Phoenix can do.

Magic finally sees the wind die down, though I punch a Searing Doom through on the Chimera for 2 wounds.

Shooting takes off one of the trolls and the far chariot.

Combat-The Gorebeast Chariots prove their toughness, dishing out more wounds then they receive and holding.

Woc Turn 4

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The far chariot charges and blasts a unit of Swordmasters. The Chimera charges in and tips the scales, but the elves hold. The Skull crushers run through another eagle and off the board.

Helf Turn 4

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The last Eagle flies forward to pin the Skull Crushers off the table edge.

During magic, Throgg goes down in a flurry of fireballs and Shems while the Chimera gets an Iceshard.

Shooting sees the last chariot and troll shot off.

One Gorebeast Chariot is finally broken and run down by a Tiranoc Chariot while the Frost Heart turns to face the last combat.
In the other combat, the Dragon Princes armor once again proves its worth and only one is felled. The Tiranoc Chariot takes its final wound.

Woc Turn 5

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The Dragon Princes finally go down.

Helf Turn 5

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The Frost Heart charges the flank of the gorebeast chariot, breaks it and runs it down. The Chimera panics and flees off the board. At this point we call the game.

Wrap up.

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I was surprised at the cautious advance of my opponent. I think I would have shoved all the elements as far forward as I could and dare me to charge. This gave me a little more time to use magic and shooting to take elements out, especially when I gained magic dominance.

I don’t deny I was very fortunate on the first turn. The BSB should have gone down to the Caress and was saved by making two 6+ ward saves. To compound my good fortune, the Demon Prince failed all 4 of its 5+ ward saves. I think it will be a rare game that I can shoot off a fully kitted Demon Prince in 1 round of shooting.

The Loremaster was amazing. I was getting good rolls on the winds. When combined with the Book, it seems I was regularly casting 4-5 spells, some boosted. This put a lot of pressure on my opponent, doubly so when his sole caster went down.

Deploying this army will be tricky. I already mentioned what I would have done differently.

The elite infantry floundered around for the whole game. I think this was partially due to a desire to stay at extreme charge range from the enemy chariots. Once one of the chariots blew by chasing the Silver Helms, I should have turned the WL and SM around and closed. The trolls were getting gunned down and I should have been far enough from the other two chariots not to be in danger. I could have easily fled the Silver Helms off the table, leaving a nice rear charge with nowhere to go.

Shooting and Magic did most of the heavy lifting, but my chariots found themselves in the thick of the fighting and proved their worth.

Nurgle Gorebeast Chariots are just out right tough. These are going to be very tough to deal with.

Hinge

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Ganz klar lebt das Armeekonzept von einer gut geführten Bewegungsphase. Etwas das sicher einiges an erfahrung bedarf. Ich find das Armeekonzept auf alle Fälle sehr spannend und werde sicher noch häufiger MSU Schlachtberichte hier her kopiren, wenn mir gute in die Finger kommen.

Ich habe auch einige nach dem alten HE AB gefunden... Wenn ihr wollt kann ich die auch hier her kopieren, sofern es euch interessiert.

Zitat von Winterwut

Bin aber nicht sicher, wie sich das gegen konventionellere Armeen schlägt.

Wie ankündigt ein paar Schlachtberichte nach dem alten AB um dieser Frage nachzugehen

Mit folgender MSU Armee:

Zitat von "Swordmaster of Hoeth"

Greetings!

Time for a first battle report from ANUWTF tournament!

Battle 1 - High Elves - Battleline

High Elves seem to be a very popular army here in Oz. One of the most numerous representation at CanCon, 5 armies at QNK Joust and 4 at ANUWTF. It was a great chance then I will meet one again and that is what happened in round 1. I had a pleasure to play against Mark and his Guards HE. His army list (as always without all the item :oops: ).

High Elves - Army List

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Prince, Vambrances of Defence, Foe Bane, Armor of Caledor (?)
Archmage, Level 4, Talisman of Saphery, Robes (I think) - Lore of Shadow
BSB
Mage, Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Seerstuff - High Magic

30 Lothern Sea Guard, Full Command, Banner of Eternal Flame
16 Archers
30 Phoenix Guard, Full Command, Razor Banner
5 Shadow Warriors
2 x Eagle Claw
2 x Great Eagle

Quite compact army list with serious investment in characters. Not many support units which is always good for my army. A significant amount of shooting could be a problem but fortunately for me Sea Guard had flaming attacks so I guess we both knew where Dragon Princes would be going. A lot depended on the formation Mark wanted to adopt for this game and if he wanted to play defensively or not. Since there was a lot of terrain that also was an important factor.

Deployment

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Civil War or Pillow Fight?

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Deployment of armies after vanguard moves

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As you can see the terrain was rich and interesting. The river happened to be the river of light and poor reavers making vanguard move got banished. Fortunately not seriously and lost only one of their numbers. If I remember correctly all houses were just obstacles while the tower could be occupied as normal. We had hard walls everywhere, providing much needed hard cover.

I wanted to use Dragon Princes to engage sea guard, even in a frontal attack. Lions were to provide shelter for swordmasters and could also dish some damage away. The problem was that the river would slow them down if they didn't use the passages. But it was not that bad.

Seeing isolated Pheonix Guard I wanted to use my small units to surround them. My previous experience showed that if attacked from both flanks simultaneously, PG is quite vulnerable.

However, I wanted to focus on repeaters and eagles in the first place. I had enough regiments to be able to contain war machines at least for a while. Then my own shooting was a good answer for eagles.

Mark's Prince was with Sea Guard, Level 2 with Archers, while BSB and Archmage joined Phoenix Guard.

Archie the Archmage was with Swordmasters and Bob the BSB led White Lions.

Mark won the roll off for the first turn. Our wizards had following spells:

Red Archmage - Miasma, Steed, Withering, Mindrazor
Mage - Shield, Curse of Arrow Attraction

Archie - Plague of Rust, Enchanted Blades, Glittering Robe, Final Transmutation

High Elves - Turn 1

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Red Elves advance

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And occupy defensive positions

Phoenix guard crossed the river and the magical water blessed them further with Pha's Protection. Shadow Warriors jumped into the tower. Other regiments slightly re-adjusted their positions and fired at their enemies. However, the fire proof armor of the heavy cavalry deflected a huge amount of arrows. Nevertheless, 3 knights fell down.

Outcasts - Turn 1

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Outcasts move faster

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The dance begun

Units on flanks sped forward to threaten eagle claws before they start inflicting more damage. Where possible they used terrain and obstacles to get extra cover. Heavy cavalry crossed the river while shooters aimed at great eagles. Both noble birds were seriously wounded.

High Elves - Turn 2

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Red Elves do not abandon their positions

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Some more shooting at incoming enemy

Red Elves, content with their defensive perimeter, do not move at all. Their shooting is targeted at light troops of the enemy army. This time one unit of light cavalry on the far West perishes in the volley of bolts.

Outcasts - Turn 2

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Blue eagles attack!

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Red eagles down!

Outcasts attack! Flanking charges are made by eagles and occupy the crews of enemy eagle claws. Two Knights charge enemy archers, seeing that there is a chance to hunt down enemy mage but one of them dies in the hail of arrows and the horse of the last one shies away.

While other units maneuver the shooters aim at red eagles again and this time both birds are down.

High Elves - Turn 3

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Red elves remain stationary

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Static defense vs. dynamic attack

One of the eagles finally prevails and prepares to assist Knights and Lions in the attack. Lions are a target of enemy shooters but fortunately not many of them fall down. Sea guard reforms into a deep formation, anticipating an attack soon and red elves brace for impact.

Outcasts - Turn 3

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Phoenix Guard surrounded

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Western flank is secured

Dragon Princes, Great Eagle and What Lions all charge the archers who unleash the arrows at Charcians. It does not save the archers and their thin red line is broken, despite protection of the shield of Saphery. Dragon princes chase down those who fled and their momentum carries them right into the flank of the nearby sea guard.

In the center, Shadow Warrior are all shot down despite the cover the tower provided. On the East phoenix guard is surrounded from each side and prepared for last stand.

High Elves - Turn 4

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Phoenix Guard ready for last stand

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Red arrow indicates overrun move

Overrunning Dragon princes hit the sea guard but red elves hold and reform under the stern eye of their general. Phoenix Guard stayed motionless, ready to meet their fate. The Archmage tried to discourage Swordmasters from attacking by casting spells at them. Would that be enough to save him and his unit?

Outcasts - Turn 4

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The end of the Phoenix Guard

Dragon princes were locked in combat with sea guard and again, the infantry held despite more casualties being inflicted.

The main combat, however, took place on the other flank. Sea guard units attacked simultaneously from both flanks using the opening the enemy left. Reavers and Swordmasters didn't join the fight as it was planned to distract the enemy so that the flank attack could have been smoothly performed.

Phoenix Guard fought well but both units pressed hard from each flank and eventually the formation broke, despite their bsb encouragements. All survivors were caught and two standards were claimed as trophies.

Seeing that Archie the Archmage gave the signal to disengage to give his adversary a chance for dignified withdraw.

After-battle thoughts

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The game ended after turn 4 simply because we run out of time. But I was very happy with that last turn charge which gave me a decisive victory. I am also glad that I managed to demonstrate that in right circumstances even 2 underestimated sea guard units can deal a killing blow to a more powerful enemy unit. All it took was to kill a few of them and break steadfast. Something no other unit in my army could not do due to lack of that extra rank.

Also note, that I didn't charge with Swordmasters as I had to fight through the obstacle and probably gave more attacks for the enemy. Similar reason was to stop the charge with reavers. They were in a perfect position to charge next turn, however.

Having said that I must admit that there were a few factors that helped me to achieve that victory.

Mark's army is one of the forces I like to fight against. It is due to the fact that he does not have many support units to interfere with my movement. And his shooting is a little limited by the fact a huge part of it is flaming. Also his characters are combat orientated so they do not harm my units while I maneuver. On top of that shadow magic is not exactly the most dangerous of lores simply because lowering abilities of one unit does not affect the army much.

Such an army can be difficult to defeat, however, if it denies the opportunity to charge big units from 2+ directions at the same time. Mark spread his army and that helped me too. He also remained static. Small mistake with PG prevented him from moving/charging (due to the building blocking the passage) and that in the end cost him that regiment.

Had he deployed on one flank and kind of castled, the game would be different. I am not sure if he would inflicted enough casualties with shooting but that was a better position to prevent my gains. In particular with a river running across the board where I was banished 3 times! Fortunately for me the number of hits was always low.

I hope Mark enjoyed the game despite the loss of that big unit at the end. It was a pleasure to play against him and he took the heavy blow with a true stoicism as a Phoenix Guard! Thanks Mark!

And thanks for reading too!

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Game 2 - Skaven - Dawn Attack

Game 2 was a Dawn Attack scenario which followed the rule book with additional rules. A quotation from the rules pack:

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An interesting twist but not exactly something I could use to great advantage since I don't have many ranks. Also, killing the most expensive unit and/or character might be quite a problem sometimes. Reading these rules I got a feeling it helps cheap horde regiments and deathstars as in my opinion bonus points were easier to grab with these. Ah well, I guess I had to simply fight for the win no matter what are the bonuses. Although in the hindsight I should pay more attention to these as I can either prevent the enemy from getting them or grab some extra points myself. It would also give me some hints as to where the enemy might move his units.

I had a great pleasure to meet and play against Sean and his sneaky Skaven. Ratmen are always a difficult enemy with their crazy rules and units. Sean brought an army that was a very interesting mixture of usual suspects with units that might not appear often in that particular configuration.

Skaven - Army List

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Queek the Headtaker
Grey Seer - Lore of Ruin + Lore of Plague
BSB
Plague Priest, level 1, Lore of Plague
Warlock engineer, level 2, power condenser Lore of Ruin

20 Slaves
20 Slaves
20 Slaves
5 giant rats + pack master
5 giant rats + pack master
2 rat swarms
25 Clanrats
21 Plague Monks, Full Command, Plague Monk Banner
30 Stormvermin, Full Command, Stroma Banner
6 Gutter Runners
6 Gutter Runners
Hellpit Abomination
Doom Wheel

As you can see quite a dangerous mixture. I know Queek already and he and his stormvermin are very dangerous. Storm banner meant trouble for shooting and also would ground eagles. Skaven magic is always dangerous so I was expecting hard time deciding what to let through and what to dispel. On top of that A-bom as well as D-wheel could wreck havoc on their own so containing these threats somehow would be a challenge. Scenario rules definitely benefited Skaven as they had a lot of units with ranks while at the same time could easily kill a few elves to deny me that bonus.

However, the biggest factor in that game had to be the deployment and the rolls for it. As it happened it was me who won the first roll-off so I picked the side and started deploying the army.

Deployment

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Both armies arrived in a slightly less than perfect formation

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Deployment after vanguard moves and scouts positioning

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Both units of heavy cavalry and one sea guard as well as one eagle had to deploy on the left flank. Swordmasters and Eagle Claw ended up on the right flank and the rest of the army had to deploy in the middle.

Skaven had their own problems with many units deploying on a single flank with little space to fit in. Their army arrived in 3 groups.

Terrain was quite interesting. The mazes were a "no-go" places, in particular for the heavy cavalry. The tower seemed like a perfect place for the gutter runners to hide and river and forests were also a surprise factor. On the other hand the battle field looked relatively empty and clear for maneuvers.

The wizards had following spells:

Grey Seer - Death Frenzy, Curse, Breath, Plague
Warlock - Warplightning, Scorch
Priest - Vermintide

Archmage - Plague of Rust, Glittering Robe, Golden Hounds, Final Transmutation

Grey Seer and Warlock were leading clanrats. Queek and BSB joined Stormvermin and Priest was obviously with plague monks.

Archmage joined Swordmasters and BSB started with Archers.

Skaven tried to steal the initiative but failed and Elves had first turn.

Outcasts - Turn 1

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Elves advance in a little shy manner

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Confusion on the left flank

Regiments on the left flank tried to advance through narrow corridor but at the last moment sea guard decided to reform and move towards the center. That maneuver was not performed with proper timing and the knights behind them were blocked.

On the right flank some units moved towards the enemy while the rest waited in anticipation. Shooting at gutter runners proved to be inefficient as sneaky rats hid well.

Skaven - Turn 1

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Skaven press forward

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Queek is eager to get to the elves as soon as possible

The rats on the left flank move forward at a double, the advance spearheaded by ever hungry abomination. Plague Monks wheeled towards the left flank too. Only grey seer advanced a little more cautiously, only to get into the range for some of the spells. As soon as they did it lightnings cracked the air and lions died.

Gutter runners aimed at reavers (Edit: And I think at eagle claw too) and some of the light horse fell to the ground.

Outcasts - Turn 2

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The storm is coming

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Elven cavalry charges!

Dragon Princes decided on a bold move. They charged rat swarms believing they can kill them fast enough and use the momentum to carry them further and catch the doom wheel unaware. Unfortunately pesky rats were not that easy to catch and the knights were in a serious danger.

On the right flank reavers tried their chances against gutter runners but the assassin adepts were good at dodging the attacks and killed reckless elves for their trouble.

Skaven - Turn 2

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The scale of the battle hang in the fragile balance

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Skaven attack (Edit: An arrow indicating the charge of giant rats on the left flank should be red of course)

Giant rats were released and Dragon Princes tried to use the opportunity to withdraw but the engineer operating the wheel caught them all before they escaped. Abomination moved happily forward and was very close to elven units now.

On the right flank the advance was stalled to allow magic and shooting to do the damage. Many elven units suffered this time but it could be worse. Fortunately for the Elves the nasty plague was not strong enough to affect many units at the same time. But the damage was done anyway.

Outcasts - Turn 3

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The Storm is over!

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Elven counter attacks

The regiments on the left try to escape the Abomination with an eagle nobly sacrificing for the greater good. Lions try but fail to intercept the doom wheel. Now they seem to be its next target.

In the center Archers decided they are more useful in close combat and charged the tower but after vicious combat were pushed back.

On the right flank another unit of reavers charged gutter runners and although this time elves won the combat pesky rats refused to flee.

Skaven - Turn 3

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Skaven seem to be getting upper paw

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Please, note that the slaves and giant rats were in fact moving from the left edge towards the center

As expected Abomination took the bait and attacked the eagle. Great bird of prey had no chance in that combat. Warlock engineer eagerly pushed buttons to move his infernal machine further. But something happened in the middle of the way and he started to lose momentum. It seemed that rats stopped running. The engineer cursed when he noticed that the cheese-meter stopped providing the encouragement pieces to the rats. Fool-fool slaves! Told-squeaked that he needed a pipe with bigger diameter! Now the cheeses is stuck and rats stopped running!

The doom wheel stopped not so far away from the small regiment of lion cloaked elves. To his horror, the engineer finally noticed the huge axes the elves were wielding and they just begun to run towards his machine! Fool-fool slaves!

Outcasts - Turn 4

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Elves strike back

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Doom wheel is destroyed

White Lions took the opportunity and destroyed the doom wheel on the charge. Archers charged again as well and again were pushed back by gutter runners. Shooting killed all but 1 gutter runner from the second pack but lone rat didn't flee. Probably decided it is even better opportunity for career development if he is the only survivor.

Sea guard ans Swordmasters destroy slaves but running rats kill a few of them too.

Skaven - Turn 4

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Skaven attack again

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Nom-nom-nom! A-bom rampaging through the swamp? Hell yeah!

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Last charges of the battle

In a final act of the battle Skaven consolidate their positions and destroy some regiments which took casualties earlier. The morning fog magically re-appeared and both armies limped away to regroup.

After-battle thoughts

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Game 2 was another one where we had to stop before we played it to the end. In fact we lacked time to finish the combat between Stormvermin and White Lions. I think Lions would survive to take their stubborn test but then it did happen that they failed it even with a re-roll. That might also caused a chain reaction of panic tests.

Because of that I wanted to apologize to Sean but it was absolutely not intentional.

I must admit that my indecisiveness and lack of coherence in the deployment and movement cost me the game. I was very lucky to lose only 9-11. I should have been punished more.

While it is tricky to deploy well with dawn attack I made some mistakes here. First, column of Dragon Princes and sea guard was just asking for trouble. Too far away from the BSB and in an awkward position meant they could not move well. I should have positioned sea guard closer to the flank and use the marsh as a defense. Then heavy cavalry would be free to move.

The units in the center also were not positioned well as they didn't support each other. I should have deployed a little further but more centrally and use that as a good starting point to move to either flank.

I totally missed the opportunity to get some points from the enemy due to the separation between the regiments. Even with my poor deployment I could move both light cavalry, sea guard, lions and swordmasters at a double towards the grey seer regiment. I had a chance to isolate him and maybe even destroy his regiment eventually. My concern was that I would be shot at and I didn't want the spells to be cast at these units. However, it happened anyway.

I was a little unlucky with combats against the gutter runners as I thought that with re-rolls I should be able to kill them faster but their 2 attacks per model and poisoned attacks were the bane of might lightly armored units.

I was very unhappy with my performance in this game. Fortunately for me, Sean was a great sport and we had a great time with a game where a lot of confusion in the deployment phase affected the course of battle. Thanks Sean, it was pleasure to meet you! Hopefully we will have a proper, 6-turn rematch were I will be in a better form too to provide you with a proper challenge!

Thanks for reading!

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Game 3 - Warriors of Chaos - Meeting Engagement

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One of the good things of attending tournaments is that in time you start having quite a group of people you have already played against and would like to have a re-match. It was indeed the case in game 3, when I faced Joel's Warriors of Chaos who have just received new goodies! I played against Joel's tough as nails warriors at CanCon and it was great to have an opportunity to play against their new version so soon. I really didn't know what to expect as the new lists are still tested and although some "must-have" choices seem to clear out then it is still matter of personal taste. Joel was kind enough to send me his army list with details so for a change all is there

Warriors of Chaos - Army List

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Sorcerer lord lvl 4, Mark of Tzeentch, disc, Talisman of preservation, charmed shield, flaming breath (395) - Lore of Tzeentch
Bsb, Mark of Tzeentch, disc, halberd, 3rd eye of tzeentch, armour of destiny, burning body (251)
Exlated hero, Mark of Tzeentch, disc, shield, talisman of endurance, dragon helm, biting blade (203)
lvl 2 sorcerer, dispel scroll (170) - Lore of Fire

19 Chaos warriors MoN, shields, halberd, musican, standard (400)
18 Chaos warriors MoN, shields, halberd, musican, standard (380)
5 Hellstriders (95)
5 Hellstriders (95)
3 Skullcrushers, ensorcelled weapons musican, standard (254)
3 Skullcrushers, ensorcelled weapons musican, standard (254)

Army Total: 2497

In comparison to the old version there were no marauders (surprise! surprise! :)), no warhounds but instead of a single unit of warriors I had to face two. Hellstriders also multiplied to two squadrons. Skullcrushers became twin units and a pyromaniac of a sorcerer joined that merry band. Of course surfer-trio were still there and probably a little tougher than before too!

This army might be smaller and easier to outmaneuver on paper but I was not fooled by that impression. Each character on a disc is a tough unit on his own, capable of wreaking havoc individually. Skullcrushers are as tough as they were and I had a feeling that despite lower toughness the increase of wound number is going to be bad thing for me.

I was curious about the warriors. Harder to hit but I still had my re-rolls. Since they fight with halberds it means they have 6+ save against Swordmasters/DP's and none against Lions. Good! I thought my elites should be able to handle these guys but only when fought 2 against 1 to be able to kill them at a ratio that would save some bodies from my units. I expected blody exchange anyway.

Tzeentch magic would be a problem no matter what. So many spells that do damage and even these with d6 hits are often painful for my small units. With fire magic as a support prioritizing what to dispel would be a tough decision for sure.

While meeting engagement is not as bad as dawn attack in terms of deployment chaos it may have some funny effects. We rolled and it happened that I won the roll off again. I picked the side and started to deploy.

Deployment

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Wall of Steel

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Deployment of the armies after vanguard moves

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Not knowing where my enemy is going to deploy I went for a kind of symmetric deployment with center withdrawn and flanks forward in an obvious envelopment formation. Warriors were smaller army and if they decided to go through the center I could attack the flanks. If they deployed on either flank I could always withdraw one side and move forward with the other. At least I thought so

In general the rolling for reserves was good but somehow Archie the Archmage had a fantastic ideas of staying behind for a while. Light cavalry in reserves is quite a good idea but the only spellcaster and a general? Ah well. As some kind of consolation Joel's sorcerer lord and a unit of warriors had the same idea!

Fortunately for me warriors didn't steal the initiative and High Elves were about to start the battle. Respective wizards had following spells:

Sorcerer Lord - Pink Fire, Glean Magic, Firestorm, Gateway
Level 2 - Flaming Sword, Fireball

Archie - Searing Doom, Plague of Rust, Enchanted Blades, Transmutation of Lead

Outcasts - Turn 1

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Elves attack immediately

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Destruction of enemy light cavalry

Seeing the opportunity to catch swift hellstriders Dragon Princes spur their steeds and charge in. Hellstriders died to the man and victorious knights reformed. At the same time elven reserves showed up and threatened the rear of a second unit of enemy light cavalry. The Archmage ordered his archers to aim at them as well and only a single survivor stood where the full squadron was seconds before.

On the North light cavalry blocked both units of steel clad behemoths, hoping their blood lust will prevail and that they will charge recklessly, exposing flanks to a deadly counter charge.

Warriors of Chaos - Turn 1

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Warriors counter attack

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Sorcerer Lord makes his presence known

Skullcrushers maintain discipline and do not let themselves be baited. Sorcerer Lord appears on the battle field and immediately makes his presence known. Unit of Dragon Princes disappears in the infernal gateway and nearby Swordmaster also suffer badly from enemy magic. Almost in an instant two powerful elven units are no threat at all.

Disk surfing hero spots exposed flank of hated Swordmasters (they killed his twin brother) and seeking personal vengeance storms in. Elven champion calls out a challenge and is killed shortly after but not before he lands a single wound on a chaos champion. The regiment of warriors of Hoeth stoically holds.

BSB also seeks his chance of glory and swoops down towards a small unit of archers being only protection of the archmage.

Outcasts - Turn 2

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Ferocious maneuvering

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Eagle Claw scores!

Having the best view over the battle field the eagle claw crew made a quick decision as to which of a juicy target to shoot at. Enemy BSB was the closest one and a powerful single bolt soon was sailing through the air towards him. It hit home with a huge impact, no armor could stand against such a force. But even tzeentch's magic fails sometimes and arrogant chaos champion was lying dead on the ground, his black heart pierced by the huge bolt.

Other elven regiments gave out a cheer but kept moving fast. Enemy was not yet unified and they had to take advantage of that. Swordmasters kept fighting against another chaos champion. Their companions from seriously depleted regiment decided on a suicidal charge and attacked skullcrushers. They managed to put one down but remaining two utterly destroyed a few elven warriors.

Archers didn't let a single hellstride to move away and killed him too.

Warriors of Chaos - Turn 2

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Warriors gain upper hand on the North

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But Elves seem to dominate on the South

Skullcrushers got and order to attack and didn't waste their time. White Lions readied their axes but despite their proficiency in fighting monsters they just could not dent Khorne blessed armor and only two brave Chracians remained to hold the enemy for a while. (Edit: I inflicted 7 wounds but Joel promptly saved all but one! Ouch! #-o ) Nearby light horse also tried to delay the brass behemoths but stood no chance against ferocious beasts.

Other units on the North also suffered casualties and it seemed that warriors won the battle of control over that area. Even on the South enemy sorcerer cast a powerful fireball and all but one reaver were dead. His horse was so terrified by magical fire that poor elf could only hold on in the saddle and wait until the steed stopped by its own.

But the glimmer of hope for elves came when Swordmasters managed to land the last wound on the enemy champion and freed themselves of that menace.

Outcasts - Turn 3

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Elves smoothly change the direction of the attack

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Setting up the trap

Using the opportunity Elves change the direction of the attack and use their local number superiority to surround the isolated unit of chaos warriors. Archers and Lions die bravely buying more time for their companions and archers even managed to wound enemy general!

Warriors of Chaos - Turn 3

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Skullcrushers rushing to the rescue

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Warriors keep pressing forward

Sorcerer Lord charges Eagle Claw and kills brave crew but elves one more time managed to wound chaos general! Warriors kill the interfering eagle but its sacrifice is not going to be wasted. Skullcrushers rush to aid the infantry but will they be in time?

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Reality Check

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Unfortunately to our surprise we run out of time :shock: I honestly don't know how did it happen. Maybe we spent too long during deployment phase? I really need to do something to improve my timing. Some games are great but somehow some are slower despite the fact it does not feel so.

At this stage it was a draw so we handed out our result sheets. But since it was the last game of the day we decided to continue to see what could have happened.

Outcasts - Turn 4

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Warriors are no more!

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Powerful double punch!

Swordmasters, White Lions and Dragon Princes all charge at the same time and even powerful warriors of chaos cannot stand against such an assault. A few elves die in combat but warriors lose almost all of their numbers and fleeing survivors a re quickly run down by dragon princes.

At the same time Archie the Archmage finally manages to summon enough energy and obliterates regiment of skullcrushers all by himself!

Warriors of Chaos - Turn 4

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Skullcrushers arrive but they are indeed too late

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Both armies are significantly reduced in strength

Chaos army is now reduced to its general and 2 units but it is still a huge threat simply because elven force is also depleted. Both armies catch a second breath and regroup for a final push.

Outcasts - Turn 5

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Elves regroup

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Archie strikes again!

Elven units regroup to receive the charge of skullcrushers while Archie the Archmage once more breaks through the defenses of his adversary and tries to repeat the feat. This time, however, he manages to kill only one skullcrusher and wounds another one.

All shooters aim at the wounded enemy general but his armor is tough and blessing of his dark god saves him too.

Warriors of Chaos - Turn 5

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Damn Skullcrushers! :twisted:

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Yeap, they did it again!

Knowing that Khorne favors the bold Skullcrushers charge in. And indeed, the blessing of their god saves them from harm and enables to completely destroy another unit of White Lions! (Edit: Joel did it again! He saved all but 1 wound, this time from 6 inflicted!)

Sorcerer Lord used his magic to great effect and almost got the Archmage himself too!

Turn 6

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I don't remember what exactly happened in turn 6 for both of us and I didn't take photos I do remember trying to kill the Lord and failing again. I am not sure if I escaped with Dragon Princes either, although I would like to think I did

In the end when we calculated the points after full game it was a narrow elven victory!

After-battle thoughts

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Very bloody game, very dynamic too, with punches dealt in each turn from the start (well, almost :)). A great pity we could not finish the game in time but not because the result was more favorable for me. It just feels wrong when it happens. As I have said I need to work out a way to play in a faster and smoother way. The main reasons for delay as I see it are lack of good plan for deployment (need to think about some generic deployments for different scenarios) and slower than required game later on (as a consequence).

As to the game itself I was much more happy with my performance. I risked the close deployment which might have backfired if Joel rolled that 6 to steal away turn 1. I think it was reckless on my part so maybe I should be more careful.

It helped me that Joel decided to deploy wide as that meant he could not support his units with each other. He also made a mistake with fast cavalry. I would wait with these guys and use them later on. If he also deployed with refused flank I think it would be a bigger problem for me.

I was lucky with that bolt thrower shot at his bsb but it also shows a potential of the eagle claw. It shot 3 times per game (once even failing to hit on 2+ thanks to enchanted blades) but that one kill was all I wanted. I am also glad Swordmasters prevailed when I made a mistake and exposed their flank to the attack. It turned out to be good for me but I could not count on that.

Joel's amazing rolls for armor save for his skullcrushers were game changing! In both fights all I needed was really 2 wounds to kill a single skullcrusher. With that the units output attacks were reduced by half, enough to hold on there for longer and even finish the beast next turn. I guess next time I will need to cast enchanted blades on Lions so that they have armor piercing special rule too!

Joel, that was a great game and I enjoyed our rematch, also because we could stay and finish the game! Congratulations on the well deserved 3rd overall too! =D> Hope to meet you again on some tournament, maybe I will manage to repeat the fit one more time and win too!

Thanks for reading!

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Greetings!

With all the hype about new army book I doubt anybody will notice a report if it is not about new army list and the use of all new toys. Nevertheless, here it is.

Battle 4 - High Elves - Watchtower

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Game 4 was the dreaded Watchtower scenario. However, there was a nice modification. Instead of automatic win, the player who controls the tower at the end of the game, received 400VP bonus. I think it is a good idea as it gives an incentive to actually fight for the tower but at the some time leaves a choice not to do so.

I thought I am going to fight against some Dark Elves but it seems that the player pulled off and I was about to have another civil war, this time against Dhugal and his High Elves.

High Elves - Army List

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Prince, Bow of Seafarer
Archmage, level 4 - Lore of Life
Mage, level 2, Silver Wand - Lore of Metal
BSB, Battle Banner
Noble

30 Lothern Sea Guard, FC, Banner of Eternal Flame
10 Archers
10 Archers

5 Dragon Princes
14 Swordmasters, FC

30 Phoenix Guard, FC

Another character heavy and compact army based around 2 guards units. It didn't have many support units and as always flaming attacks on sea guard in my particular case are more a drawback than advantage. I thought I might have a good chance to win if I can attack sea guard with heavy cavalry, shoot at Swordmasters and overwhelm archers and phoenix guard with my own units. Dragon Princes could be neutralized with White Lions and with 2 units of these I thought I might catch the enemy knights anyway.

We rolled to determine who is going to have the tower and Dhugal won that roll. It meant I had the first turn though.

Deployment

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Deployment of armies after vanguard

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Enemy archmage and BSB joined Phoenix Guard on the West. Prince and mage were with Swordmasters and the Noble led Sea Guard to battle.

Archie and Bob were in second line with their respective sea guard units.

Respective Wizards had following spells:

Archmage - Throne, Regrowth, Dwellers, Flesh to Stone
Level 2 - Searing Doom, Golden Hounds, Glittering Robe

Archie - Enchanted Blades, Glittering Robe, Final Transmutation and I forgot the last one :oops:

Outcasts - Turn 1

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Outcasts move forward at a double

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Swordmasters assault the tower

Both units of Swordmasters competed with each other who can get to the tower first. Due to accurate missile fire and some vicious close combat the tower was still in the hands of archers but only 2 of them remained.

Other regiments moved forward, with cavalry leading the way.

High Elves - Turn 1

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Enemy High Elves counter attack with shooting

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Feigned flight of Ellyrian Reavers

enemy High Elves tired to charge on the West but ellrian reavers withdrew. On the East enemy sea guard shot down the eagle and the prince managed to get to the position to shoot at the flank of dragon princes and unhorsed all but one.

Outcasts - Turn 2

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Another assault

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This time the buildings are taken

Swordmasters renewed their attack and this time the tower was theirs. Dragon Princes fought against archers for the possession of another building and they managed to break the enemy and take it too.

White Lions moved forward at a double to avoid enemy phoenix guard and intercept the knights.

All shooting was focused on enemy general and his retinue. Only few survived and mage was wounded too.

High Elves - Turn 2

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Enemy knights charge!

Enemy knights charge white lions who hold. The Archmage gets himself elevated on a throne of vines and makes the flesh of his knights almost immune to any blows. However, 2 of them still fell to chracian axes. Half of the unit of lions still die to stop enemy attack.

Outcasts - Turn 3

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View from the East

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View from the West

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Outcasts dominate the center

White Lions charge the exposed flank of enemy knights and even with their flesh turned to stone they cannot be saved. Reavers use the opportunity to sneak between fighting units and a tower and threaten enemy archmage who foolishly left his regiment.

The shooters fell down last swordmasters and the mage but the prince survived only to flee to the safety.

On the West single dragon prince charged against enemy sea guard to kill enemy noble and was quickly surrounded by enemy warriors. He refused to give ground, though.

High Elves - Turn 3

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Prince still runs away

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Phoenix Guard destroys annoying eagle

Phoenix Guard charges the eagle and the noble bird sacrifices itself for the greater good. On the opposite flank sea guard manage to kill single reckless knight but it seems another squadron is ready for attack.

Outcasts - Turn 4

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Powerful spell destroys nearly half of the phoenix guard

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Dragon Princes destroy the enemy sea guard all by themselves!

Caledorians leveled their lances and charged, trusting their dragon armor. It proved to be right thing to do as all enemy blows were deflected. The impact of the charge was so powerful that the enemy infantry broke and was run down by pursuing knights.

On the West reavers caught enemy wizard but he kept fighting bravely. Other regiments surrounded isolated phoenix guard and Archie the Archmage turned many of them into golden statues. Also enemy general didn't avoid his fate and fell down pierced by the arrows.

High Elves - Turn 4

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Phoenix Guard on the move

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Archmage resurrects fallen warriors

Only a handful of warriors remained. Phoenix Guard moved forward, to put some distance from the enemy. The Archmage, while deflecting the blows, managed to resurrect some fallen warriors but it was probably his last act.

Outcasts - Turn 5

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Phoenix Guard flanked

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Death of the Archmage

White Lions made a very long charge to attack the archmage as well and this time enemy wizard stood no chance. Swordmasters, their enchanted blades flashing, cut through phoenix guard hard. Even the ward saves were not enough but bsb waved his magical banner and this time silent warriors held.

High Elves - Turn 5

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Last stand

Phoenix Guard readied themselves. BSB answered the call of the enemy bladelord who gave him a chance to die with dignity in personal combat. Then the enemy Swordmasters pressed hard again and this time even the resolute Phoenix Guard could not hold and fled to be run down shortly.

The Outcasts utterly destroyed their kinsmen army.

After-battle thoughts

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It was the first time when I killed every single model of the enemy army but it didn't feel good as they were High Elves. Also, while Dhugal was a great opponent and we played the game in a great and friendly spirit, his inexperience was his undoing.

First, his army was character heavy and lacking support units. So he should deploy with close proximity to each other. Instead, he created 3 vulnerable groups of units who were quickly surrounded and destroyed. Putting archers in the tower helped me to assault it all the quicker. I just hope that Dhugal learned a thing or two in that game that will help him to be a better general in the future. I also would like to congratulate him for a well deserved best sport award! =D>

Despite crushing victory there are always things to do better. There were 2 mistakes I made:

1. I exposed the eagle on the East too early. I should have waited for next turn, when both cavalry units could line for the charge and the eagle would provide diversion.

2. I moved first knights so that they didn't expose the flank to the Prince with bow of seafarer but I didn't do it well enough so that when he moved he could still shoot at them. I should have moved them a little further back thus not exposing the vulnerable flank.

Thanks for reading!

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Ich bin hier ja nur der C&P-Guthenberg und nicht der Autor, aber ich nehm das Dank natürlich dennoch gerne an

Finde die Schlachtberichte auch außergewöhnlich gut geschrieben und sehr lehrreich, so dass ich sie euch nicht vorenthalten wollte

Gerade die zwei Hochelfen-Mirror Spiele gegen die zwei Horden Armeen haben finde ich gut zeigt was für ein zartes Filitiermesser eine solche MSU-Armee doch ist.

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Battle 5 - Battle for the Pass - Orcs & Goblins

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In the game 5 I faced Garry and his greenskins. I had a pleasure to play against Garry at Wintercon some time ago, when he used his Ogres. Garry is a very good and calculating player so I knew I am up to a serious challenge. We even tried to set up a date for a friendly game before the tournament but due to my crazy schedule I was unable to find enough free time to do so. Fortunately, we were granted an opportunity during the tournament!

The scenario had a following modification:

As I have mentioned Garry brought his Orcs & Goblins this time. Here is his list as far as I remember it:

Orcs & Goblins - Army List

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Savage (?) Orc Great Shaman - Big Waaagh!
Black Orc BSB
Night (?) Goblin Shaman - Little Waaagh!
Night (?) Goblin Shaman - Little Waaagh!

60 Goblins, Netters, Full Command
20 Night Goblins, Fanatic
20 Night Goblins, Fanatic
20 Night Goblins, Fanatic
5 Wolf Riders, Shields
5 Wolf Riders, Shields
Goblin Chariot

10 (?) Black Orcs
9 Trolls
8 Trolls
Spear Chukka
Spear Chukka
Rock Lobba
Rock Lobba

Doom Diver
Doom Diver
Mangler Squig
Mangler Squig

Right, an army that has it all! Enough of deep blocks to make it impossible to move around. Some hard hitters for counter attacking and enough artillery to kill my troops from afar, not worrying about range at all.

I was not sure how to handle this. Also, scenario rules favored greenskins with multiple deep rank units. Narrow passage meant I had to deploy in 2 lines. Also because I wanted to deploy some units wide to minimize the casualties due to artillery shots. Mangler Squigs and Fanatics further limited my options and the ability for a rapid approach. I had to get rid of them first in order to be able to charge comfortably and even then it would have to be frontal attack. In the case of Trolls it looked like a suicide. Tough choices indeed.

Deployment

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Valley filled with goblin filth

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Deployment of the armies after vanguard moves

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As expected no free route was open, war machines were spread nicely and very far away. One flank was guarded by night goblins who were waiting to release their fanatics. On the other flank horde of goblins and two huge packs of trolls also ensured nothing would go through. Manglers in the middle had a good position to hide and pop out if something got too close.

Respective wizards had following spells:

Orc Great Shaman - Gaze of Mork, Brain Bursta, Fists of Gork, Foot of Gork
Goblin Shaman - Itchy Nuisance
Goblin Shaman - Gork'll Fix It

Archmage - Enchanted Blades, Glittering Robe, Transmutation of Lead, Final Transmutation

Orcs and Goblins won the roll off and begun to move towards elven lines.

Orcs & Goblins - Turn 1

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Green Tide

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Greenskin artillery at its best

Orc Shaman bellowed his orders and fearful goblins as well as stupid trolls followed. Entire valley was filled with them and they moved towards thin elven line. Then the artillery spoke. Crude spear-like bolts, huge rocks and crazy doom divers filled the air. Against such a barrage even the finest armor is useless and whole regiment of proud elven knights was no more.

Outcasts - Turn 1

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High Elves maintain their formation

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Cavalry moves to the flank

Two elven cavalry squadrons spot a narrow gap in the enemy formation and move int to exploit it. The rest of the army maintains the formation. Only the lions move forward and wait in cover for trolls to emerge from behind the hill. One of the eagles swoops down on the mangler and destroys it at a cost of its noble life.

Orcs & Goblins - Turn 2

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Greenskins secure their positions

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More artillery bombardment

Horde of goblins become unruly and initially try to reach the reavers but they change their minds in the middle of their attack. Artillery barrage continues to kill elves but it is the Orc Shaman who claims majority of elven lives with his crude but effective magic. Only a single lion emerges standing after a huge green foot stomps his comrades to death.

Outcasts - Turn 2

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Reavers maneuver in between whirling fanatics

On one flank reavers use their skills to bait fanatics from all 3 units and still emerge unscathed. On the other flank another regiment of light horsemen moves by the goblins towards the enemy artillery. Second eagle destroys another mangler squig.

Orcs & Goblins - Turn 3

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Greenskins dominate the center

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Elven line falters

Night goblins charge Ellyrian reavers and one unit manages to catch the elves unaware. Single fanatic, which somehow survived the arrows of the elven archers, happily whirled towards the Swordmasters.

Greenskin artillery again took many elven lives. Lone Lion was not allowed to escape with the regimental banner and fell down close to friendly lines. Nearby archers, fearing for the safety of the BSB decided to withdraw.

On the other flank another heavy cavalry was decimated and sea guard unit was forced to withdraw as well. Finally reavers were attacked and their horses panicked. It was only a small consolation that one of the lobbers exploded.

Outcasts - Turn 3

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Withdrawal

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Last gamble

It was clear the battle was lost so to prevent further casualties the Archmage gave the order to withdraw. Some units still move forward to form rear guard. In the last gamble, the Archmage cast the most powerful spell he had at his disposal and turned half of the enemy shaman bodyguards into gold but sadly, none of the enemy characters was affected.

After-battle thoughts

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Yet again we run out of time in the middle of the game. At this stage Garry controlled 2 objectives and with VP's for destroyed units it gave him solid, 14-6 victory. He played very well, used his strengths very good and minimized the weak points so that I could not exploit them.

Personally, I was disappointed with my own performance. Despite the fact that O&G are very tough enemy to beat for me and I kind of hate the army it was not an excuse for a bad playing.

First of all, as often, the deployment was lacking. With a narrow passage I could not hope to out maneuver the enemy so I should have opted for a more flexible approach. Double line is not bad in general but I constrained myself and limited shooting options by deploying centrally. I think I would have done better if I deployed the shooters at one flank and combat troops on another. Then I would focus on shooting goblins. Even the big horde unit would eventually suffer enough (I also failed to cast transmutation on them, which could be helpful). If it happened that the shooters would face 2 small units then it might have been even better as they would be forced to take panic checks earlier. If they were out of generals and bsbs influence, as they were in the game, it could be even more promising.

In terms of combats I think I was too passive. I didn't fight at all! As the opposing army had better shooting I could not really stand there and wait. I was concerned with fanatics and manglers but I could have performed that move with reavers in turn 1! I was of course lucky to avoid all 3 fanatics but still. If I even sacrificed a unit or two to get rid of them I would have had a nice option to attack later on. Goblins alone are not a match for my units and I would at least drove them away from the objective.

If it happened that I had big unit to fight against it is also good as I could attack with more units at the same time.

I also wanted to come back to the game length issue. I was wondering how long each turn took and I have noticed I still have a record of time when the pictures were taken. It seems that the majority of time is still used for deployment. Discussing army lists and terrain also adds to that. Hence my conclusion, that apart from trying to play faster anyway, I should focus on deployment the most. And reading these books for other armies again might be a good idea!

Last but not least I wanted to thank Garry for a challenging game and giving me a few lessons about how efficient O&G can be! Also, congratulations on the Best General award too! =D>

Thanks for reading!

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Battle 6 - Dwarves - Blood and Glory

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It was not use to motivate myself to write the last battle report but things need to be done properly and here it is. I had a great pleasure to meet Adam, who is current ETC captain of the Australian Team but absolutely top bloke in the first place. I saw Adam's army a few times before but I have never had a chance to play against him. I also found myself supporting him during last years Masters (a tournament for best players in Oz, participants are allowed to play only based on invitation) as he had a very interesting Dwarven army. He also did great with!

We played a modified Blood and Glory scenario:

This time Adam had another Dwarven force which more or less looked like this:

Dwarves - Army List

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Runelord on Anvil of Doom
BSB
Thane, Rune of Challenge
Dragon Slayer
Dragon Slayer

10 Crossbows, GW
10 Crossbows, GW
10 Crossbows, GW
15 Hammerers, Full Command
15 Hammerers, Full Command
15 Longbeard Rangers, GW, Thrown Axes
10 Miners
5 Miners
10 Slayers
Cannon
Cannon
Grudge Thrower

The war machines had usual runes inscribed, making them very reliable and dangerous. S5 grudge thrower in particular. Thane also had a rune that allowed him to deploy with Rangers.

Not your typical corner-hammer designed Dwarven army. Could castle if needed but then had enough aggressive elements not to do so. Miners and Anvil can be potentially troublesome. I also had to be careful with a rune of challenge.

However, since I spotted no organ guns I decided to go for a full out assault as I knew my elites can win against Dwarven in on-on-one combats. And I had more units so I wanted to use that to my advantage.

As always, however, terrain had a lot to add to any plans.

Deployment

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Don't be fooled by friendly apparition! Behind that smile hides heart of stone, will of gromril and razor sharp mind!

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Deployment of the armies after vanguard and scout moves.

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As expected the terrain had a big impact. While it allowed Dwarves to prepare their defensive positions, the river significantly reduced maneuverability of my army. I had to squeeze the units, never good idea against cannon and grudge throwers. I decided to try to get to Dwarven lines as soon as possible anyway.

I managed to win the roll off and surprisingly I had the first turn.

Outcasts - Turn 1

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Elves sprint towards the Dwarves

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Full out assault

Elven army moved at a double to cover the distance towards the enemy as fast as possible. Only on the left flank the shooters opened fire, managing to destroy all the Slayers despite their good defensive position. On the right flank Dragon Princes were forced to charge and lost one of their numbers due to stand and shoot reaction from the Rangers but didn't make it to combat anyway.

Dwarves - Turn 1

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Dwarves remain motionless

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Dwarven shooters warm up

The shooting is not yet that efficient as it could be killing a few Elves here and there but it was enough to spook the steeds of one of the heavy cavalry who had to withdraw to regroup.

Outcasts - Turn 2

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Fatal charge of the heavy cavalry

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The beginning of the end

Bob surveyed the battlefield as they marched towards the enemy. Double line formation in the center looked good and he hoped it will keep enough pressure on the Dwarves. Then he spotted the heavy cavalry that moved way too fast and he realized that Caledorians could not resist and decided to charge all by themselves! "You fools!" thought Bob "there will be no glory in that charge and you will endanger entire flank! Stop you idiots!" But it was too late ...

Elven knights foolishly charged rangers all by themselves. They lost one of their numbers due to axes thrown at them and they were quickly overwhelmed by great weapon wielding veterans. What is more it opened the path for a catastrophic flank charge.

Dwarves - Turn 2

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I was so angry at myself I could not keep my hands steady!

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Dwarves punish the Elves for their mistake

Rangers used the great opportunity and charged the flank of the sea guard who tried to hold but failed and was run down. Victorious Rangers pursued into the flank of a nearby Swordmasters.

In the meantime, the war machines and crossbows had a good target practice. Both eagles and entire White Lion unit ceased to exist.

Outcasts - Turn 3

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Elven assault crumbles

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Fight for survival begins

It was a very good time for some cavalry charge but this time Caledorians could not make it and Swordmaster fought alone. They too could not withstand the pressure and fled.

Elves were in a huge trouble now, their assault stopped, their formation in tatters and with no good option to fight back.

Dwarves - Turn 3

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Can it be worse? - Yes it can!

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A killing blow!

The situation looked very bad. Bob had only one duty now, try to protect their general. He saw the Dwarven rangers approaching very fast and ordered the regiment to retreat to safety. But as always the unit is as fast as its slowest member. "Archie, hurry up!" shouted Bob. Then he paled. Seriously? Wearing THAT kind of shoes for a battle? Now he knew why they struggled to keep up the pace with the rest of the army. Suddenly withdrawing didn't seem such a good idea anymore.

Rangers charged the sea guard with both elven characters. They tried to flee to safety but were caught by surprisingly swift rangers. Leaderless and without cohesive formation, high elves started to panic.

Outcasts - Turn 4

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Only blood, no glory

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Remaining elven units decided to die in combat

There was only one decision to be made for the rest of the elven army. Die fighting or die due to enemy artillery. Elves chose to attack. Lions fought hammerers and if they had enough time they might have prevailed but another regiment was ready to attack their flank.

Reavers caught retreating crossbows but it was not good enough as they failed to attack the war machines behind them.

Dwarves - Turn 4

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Elves are pushed back behind the river

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All hope lost

Hammerers charge fighting Lions who hold a little bit longer. All hope is lost (not much of it remained anyway) when another well placed rock killed entire unit of Swordmasters. Few survivors of the elven army were pushed behind the river.

Outcasts - Turn 5

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Elven army disintegrated

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Dwarves control the battlefield

Not much is left to do for defeated Elves and only here and there some of them still fight.

Dwarves - Turn 5

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Dwarves start celebrating

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Mopping up

Not much was left from the elven army but Dwarves meticulously picked up the stragglers. Very few elven warriors survived to tell the tragic tale of that massacre.

After-battle thoughts

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Ouch! That was a very painful lesson and a great example of how not to play warhammer. Adam definitely didn't need any help to defeat me and certainly not by making such a stupid mistake. I honestly have no idea what I was thinking. After that game I felt so embarrassed ...

We discussed a little bit with Adam about some options. First, the redirect with Dragon Princes. The thing is that with good positioning they would be the only target. If I held it might not be very helpful but it would be better anyway, as it gives me time. Even better (I think) would be to flee with them. If I angled well it would force rangers to move out of the table. I could not count on the charge with rangers, however, as they had throwing axes (S5!) and could do just that to eliminate annoying knights. Then again, it would cost time. Basically, that stupid charge cost me the game and there is no mistake about it.

Now, what to do if a mistake is made. How to recover? How to keep your head cool? I am sure I failed here too.

First, the question. Would you flee with sea guard? If yes, they would run through entire army. With BSB nearby I had a chance to pass resulting panic checks but it would still create a lot of confusion. Second, if you fled with sea guard, would you also flee with Swordmasters since they would be attacked anyway? My idea was to try and kill a few rangers on their way so that at least they would decrease in numbers. However, out of 5 attacks I had to the flank and 5 hits I rolled 4 1's. You see, I didn't think I could hold but some casualties would be nice. Also, flank charge with Dragon Princes (who needed something close to average to make contact) would also help. Again, if not to slow down then at least to kill some Dwarves.

Ok, another round. My recovery "plan" failed miserably. Would you press with the attack? Or would you start a withdraw? Would you flee with sea guard and characters? I could stand and shoot. Not much but always a chance to kill some Dwarves. Then I was hitting first. But I was afraid I was about to lose my fragile characters anyway. Maybe it was just a bad decision too? BSB could try and kill either some rank and file troops or even fight in a challenge. S3 is not great but then rangers had not that much armor. Maybe dying in combat was simply better fate anyway?

I think all these are valid questions and at every turn there were important decisions to make. I made wrong ones and that is why I not only lost but also lost so badly. That makes me even more disappointed at my own performance. You see, what I want from my games is that they are a challenge for my opponents too. Adam is a very experienced player and he didn't need that help. It also made for a poor experience, I think, from the gaming point of view when the game becomes one sided.

I just hope Adam had a good time anyway. I also think it is about time to start my own Book of Grudges, with special chapter dedicated especially for Dwarves as they seem to have that way to beat my squishy elves into a bloody pulp. I am looking forward to meeting Adam again and maybe I will have my chance for a proper rematch!

Thanks a lot, Adam. It was a great pleasure to meet you and I believe I didn't miss that lesson!

Thanks for reading!

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